CA is by far the harder of the two
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« on: March 27, 2009, 04:52:29 AM »
W&L and Temple really shouldn't be in this discussion at all - provided that your aspirations are biglaw. If, however, you're considering public interest and the like, then go with W&L for bang for buck value (employment opps + CoL + scholarship). Temple? I recommend that you mail in your "thanks but no thanks" letter today. If biglaw is your goal, go to GW if you're looking for DC placement, Fordham if you'd prefer NYC placement. Really, your decision is that simple
I suggest that you do it this way: you take CA first. Why? Well, NY grants MBE reciprocity, whereas CA does not. I learned this the hard way. So if you're deadset on taking both in a July-Feb type arrangement, you have two options: 1) you take a full 2 NY bar exam in July, and follow up with a full 3 day CA bar exam in Feb as CA does not grant reciprocity, or 2) you take the full 3 day CA bar exam in July, and take a 1 day NY bar exam in Feb.
A couple of notes:
-I'm fairly certain that taking the MBE twice has taken at least 1 year off my life
-if you're starting out in NY biglaw (as i was ), make sure to double check with your firm before you sign up for CA first. unfortunately for me, i was req'd to take NY first (i.e. it wasn't optional if i wanted to keep my job).
-studying for the CA bar on my own while attempting to keep up with work assignments and billables was a f'ing nightmare. honestly, i don't recommend the process. more specifically, only do this to yourself if you **ABSOLUTELY KNOW** that at some point in the relatively near future you want to use your CA bar membership for practice. don't sign up for this thing because "oh what the hell i studied pretty hard in July and i think that i remember a lot of it and it would probably look pretty good to have CA and NY on the resume" - nope, not worth it.
1) first year salay = 160k
2) first year billable rate = 350 / hr (biglaw first yer billables fluctuates 280-350, but 350 is "top of the market" and thus we'll go with it)
3) first year minimum = 2050 (granted, you'll almsot invariably end up billing more than this # but at least it's something to work with)
2050x350 = $717,500
$160,000 / $717,500 x 100 = ~23%
or, more simply, $160,000 / 2050 = $78.00 per hour billed
granted, billable req is not an accurate representation of the amount of time you spend in the office so the per hour payment is actually significantly lower than figure of $78 / hr. it's hard to put a precise sum ont his fig as it's a person-dependent. i guess that it prob (for first years) fluctuates between 55 and 70 an hour.
« on: January 17, 2009, 08:28:47 AM »
haha you are quiet the patient one
« on: January 17, 2009, 07:50:27 AM »
this thread just keeps paying dividends.
the honest truth it that once biglaw starts outsourcing its K attny work in earnest (India, Israel, wherever) schools like TJ and Cal Western will inevitably watch their employment numbers plummet bird-strike style ... except there won't be a Sully to bail them out .. instead, just a deep, murky watery grave at the bottom of some frigid, poo-brown east coast river. that's right, i said it.
Bump - any thoughts on likelihood of HYS? Are we talking like 10% or 50%?
by virtue of the fact alone that you provided, in a public forum, detail so sufficiently delineated that any ucla admin member or hys transfer adcomm could now easily ID you more or less automatically precludes you from transferring. sorry - de facto ding .
(i'm kidding - congrats)
u kidding me?
this thread is annoyingly racist