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Socratic Method / Re: True Horror Story
« on: August 19, 2005, 11:20:41 AM »
Ah...law school.
Isn't it fun.
I think everyone who has been in law school for more than two years can recite one of these horror stories.

I've only been in law school for two *days* and I have already been called by surprise to be drilled on a case I had not adequately briefed. Oh, I had the facts of the case down, and the rule and how it was applied in the holding, but I did not properly understand the procedural posture of the case--like an idiot, I figured it wasn't as important since this was a torts class--and I got it wrong. Worse, I wasn't smooth or confident in my wrongness.

I'm sure everyone thinks I'm a dolt now, but I'm not so sure everyone else in the classroom experienced the same vertigo, the silent-in-the-room, everybody-looking, heart-stopping badness of it all. Crow--it's what's for dinner!

Don't worry.  Most of your class mates where not paying attention to you.  In fact, they were glad they were not called upon or reading the next case and praying that they don't get called upon.  Once you realize that your classmates do not care how you brief (they only care that YOU are briefing and not them), then you will be more relaxed and your briefs will be smoother.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 19, 2005, 11:11:23 AM »

Yeah, I remember Grant.  I also think I know the crazy guy you're taking about.  Is he kind of a skinny smart-*ss with with curly dark hair?  I also remember this red-haired dude about late 30s or early 40s who was a school teacher.  And there was a black gentleman in his late 40's or early 50's too.  That's great to hear about Joanna.  That was a fun group.  But most of all I remember the cute blonde Westlaw Rep at the time.  Is she still there?

You think VCL socratic method was tough?  How is it at SW?

I agree that it is up-close and personal.  We've had three judges that loved the socratic method.  But as the semester was completed, they eased up.  One thing for sure, I don't have a problem getting up in front of people and talking.

Pachowicz is teaching Crim-pro.  I've heard he is awesome too.

At Southwestern, since the classes in the beginning were so much larger than VCL, it felt like I was just briefing to a single mass.  Even though I've had some ball-buster profs at SW, it never really bothered me.  I think larger groups tend to make a lot of people more nervous, but I actually do better with a crowd.  Also, I don't remember having to stand up to brief at SW, other than maybe some class exercises.  With Pachowicz, we always had to stand up and address the class like we were in court, right from the beginning.  I think that actually prepped me well for SW. 

I love being at SW, but there are things that I experienced at VCL that most larger schools just can't duplicate.  It's hard to put into words.  Also, I've a had a bunch of great professors at SW, but Pachowicz is right up there with them.

The school teacher is there and the black gentleman is still there too.  As for the Westlaw Rep, I think I know who you are talking about.  She graduated and passed the bar.

SW sounds like a good school too.  I really think that what you put into law school is more important that where you attend.  In the end, passing the bar and being able to play the game is the ultimate goal.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 18, 2005, 10:49:42 AM »
Just check with the City of Camarillo...it's a good thing for property values.

So I take it it's not a strip club. :-X  I actually have a side business in the industrial area near that location.  Come to think of it, I did notice they're clearing the ground around there.

Which plan are you purchasing?

Mine is a plan 2, with the upstairs bed/bath instead of the bonus room.  I'll probably be renting the other two rooms out immediately, but I would have to find the right personalities for that.  I don't need any weird sh*t right now.  I want that place to be a sanctuary for all who live there.  It's actually the north-eastern-most unit in the complex.  It turns out there's just a wrought iron fence between me and the park, with a gate giving me direct access.  It should be pretty cool.  This should be a link to the plans:  http://www.drhorton.com/corp/GetCommunity.do?dv=W2&pr=41795

I started at VCL in the fall.  Most of the spring starters are still there.  Who do you remember from that class?

I remember a bunch of faces, but I barely remember my own name half the time.  I do still have an email in my archives from Joanna Camp.  She had sent me her notes for Juvi Law class one night.  Is she still around?  I also remember an older Philipino guy, and another older white guy who had been an exec in his company before retiring.  Also, there was a tall thin guy in his early 20's whose dad had a small firm.  Oh yeah, and there was a girl named Tonja McCoy.  Man, I remember a bunch of faces.  Unlike bigger schools, everyone was so friendly from the outset.  That was a really cool group.  Plus, school was right around the corner, and 1/4 the cost.

Also, I remember the Socratic method being way more difficult at VCL than Southwestern.  I think that's because it was more up-close and personal.  Also, Pachowicz would make us stand up when we briefed.  That really puts you on the spot, because you can't read from your computer screen.  He was awesome.  Is he still teaching there?


The development is not a strip club.  Lets just say I have some information about a possible development in the current farm land located north of PVR.

Plan 2 is nice.  My wife and I were thinking about buying one of those townhomes.  We put our name on the list but didn't expect to be called since we filled out the application three or four months ago.  Last month, we just purchased a townhome in Ventura.  The developer released the next phase and the cost went up $10k.  If this continues, we will have about $50k in equity without paying anything.  I bet this will happen to you too.

Joanna is still there.  Last weekend she got married.  The older Philipino guy didn't make it after first year.  The older white guy dropped out after the first semester.  Grant is the tall thin guy and he is still there.  Tonja?  Don't think she started first year.  Do you remember Steve Jones?  Crazy guy who drank a two litre bottle of coke during class?  Yeah, we have a really good group of people.

You think VCL socratic method was tough?  How is it at SW?

I agree that it is up-close and personal.  We've had three judges that loved the socratic method.  But as the semester was completed, they eased up.  One thing for sure, I don't have a problem getting up in front of people and talking.

Pachowicz is teaching Crim-pro.  I've heard he is awesome too.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 17, 2005, 07:24:52 PM »
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Is there something I should know about that area? 

I've been teetering over the past few days, but I think I'm gonna go for it.  It's steep, but worst case I can rent the two rooms out.  I really think it's a great unit in a great location.

Hey -- I was at VCL for the spring 2003 semester.  I took Intro to Law (Mark Packowikz?) and Juvenile Law.  Were you in my class?

Just check with the City of Camarillo...it's a good thing for property values.

Worst case is that you have to turn around and sell it within a year.  Even then you will make about $50k.  Not a bad investment.  Stick it out.  You don't want to doubt yourself later.

Which plan are you purchasing?

I started at VCL in the fall.  Most of the spring starters are still there.  Who do you remember from that class?

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 16, 2005, 04:15:21 PM »
Hey rez,

Well today I read through the purchase agreement, and was pleased to find a loan contingency clause as well as a damages limitation clause which prevents the seller from doing anything beyond keeping my deposit ($16,600), even if I materailly breach the agreement right before closing.  That at least gives me several months to decide if I want all in, or I'm willing to dump the deposit and run.  The latter strategy would only be exercised if the housing market starts to take a nose dive.  But I think you're right about the strength of real estate in this area.

I also went to the Pleasant Valley Parks Department to see the planned adjacent park layout.   I'm pretty happy with what I saw.  I was concerned it would be more big venue stuff (e.g. stadium or large bleacher seating with concessions).  Instead, it'll just be a standard local park with four baseball diamonds and a bunch of soccer fields.  Parking is way across the field from my place too, so I should have a nice view.  Down the road, I think the park will help make my place even more attractive to people with children and dogs.

I'm a 3L in the evening program at Southwestern.  How about you?


Also check with the City of Camarillo for any new development in the Pleasant Valley Road/101 area (hint...).

$16,600 down - that is a lot of cheese burgers!

I am a 3L at VCL.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 15, 2005, 05:52:05 PM »
I hear ya about the cost!  I am figuring that I am going to be able to write off about $50k in interest, taxes and other deductions.  I have almost cut my taxes in half.  I'm also renting in Ventura at $1700/mo.  I stayed up late after I signed my agreement thinking of how I was going to make it work.  With the right offs, it works for me.  Hopefully it works for you.  It is a great investment.

I was going to purchase one of those townhomes.  That is a very good area. With CSUCI close by, you souldn't have any problems.  Also check with the City of Camarillo for additional development planned in that area.  I seriously do not think that the housing market in this area is going to go down.  Within the next few years, the market may slow down but never lose money.

BTW what school do you attend?

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 15, 2005, 12:37:57 PM »
First off, congrats on getting an opportunity to puchase a new home in Camarillo (just curious - is it the development off 101?).  Who is the builder?

I just bought a new town home in Ventura and I had to go through the whole process of signing the purchase agreement.  After completing Contracts, I am skeptical on everything I sign.  During my appointment, I asked a lot of questions.  Most of the items in the agreement are boiler plate and cannot be modified even if you had an attorney.  Actually, the terms are there to protect you too.  For example, I will not lose my deposit if something happens and I cannot purchase the property at the close of escrow.  The only thing I would have like to change is the binding arbitration in case of a dispute.  On one hand, arbitration will reduce litigation costs but I do not like to give up my right to a trial.  However, I feel very comfortable with the developer.  They are very well respected and so far have been very responsive.  They sent us cookies! (for as much as we spent, they should have sent us booze!) 

They should give you a copy of the Conditional Subdivision Public Report if the development is a common interest development.


janna116 - Redding Pipe - good case citing!

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Study group- Yay or Nay?
« on: August 09, 2005, 01:17:22 PM »
I have a study group and it works for me. At the begining of the year, our group works on outlines and towards finals we do pratice exams. This seems to work well for our group. Our group has the #1, 5, 8, 12 rankings.

However, study groups do have a tendency of getting off subject. Our group has a rule that we get our studying done and then we go have lunch or get drinks after we are completed.

Like most things in law school, you have to find out what works good for you. If working in a study group works for you, stick with it. If studying on your own works for you, do that.

That sounds great.  How did you acquire such a sucessful study group?  I am worried if I join one it will turn into junior high group projects in which I inevitably did all the work.  I am interested in joining one if I can develop one that is with organized and motivated students.  Any suggestions?
Good question...It just happens that I sit next to most of my study group.  Another key is that we all get along and don't annoy each other.  I think that is a major key to a successful group.  It also helps if you join a group with one of the top students. 

Our group usually comes up with a study plan and one person usually takes control to ensure that we don't get off topic.  This keeps our group orgainized.  This works for our group but may not work for others.

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General Board / Re: Sample Outline
« on: August 08, 2005, 02:42:15 PM »
Quit trying to sell your outlines...

SPAMER  >:(

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Socratic Method / Re: Any schools not use it?
« on: August 08, 2005, 11:27:42 AM »
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I agree. The socratic method is a very good tool. Besides, how can a "soft" person be made into a stone when there is nothing to force the change? For instance, I was not big on speaking in front of ppl, now I could care less.
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I have to second this.  I've had two judges for profs and they loved the socratic method but later on during the semester, they eased up.  At first you are always nervous but once you've done it or screwed up, you realize that it is no big deal.  I have no problem speaking in front of people now.

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