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Current Law Students / Re: Advice for New Law Students
« on: April 17, 2005, 11:18:43 AM »
LawGirl, I love reading all of your advice!  Anymore that you can add?  Also, can you respond to 1Lbored's advice.

Someone asked for advice for new law students on a school specific board. I re-printed it here for all of you who will start school this fall.
Good luck to all of you.

General Advice for New Law Students

1. Always keep up on your reading. Never fall behind.

2. Take good notes. If you don't do this, you might as well leave now.

3. Don't skip class, it's just stupid to spend all this money to skip class. Besides, class is where you will find out most of what you need to know for the test.

4. Do your own outlines. Look at commercial outlines if you need guidance, but do your own. You will have half of the battle won in getting a great grade if you do your own outlines.

5. Don't wait until the last minute to do your outlines. Ideally, do you outlines whenever you see a major shift in the material. You will make it much easier on yourself if you do it this way. (However, don't start outlining from day one. You will not understand how things fit together until you move to a new topic).

6. Don't ever go to class unprepared. Treat your experience in law school as if you are doing on the job training as a lawyer. You would not ever walk into court unprepared and say to the judge, "I'm sorry your Honor, I didn't do my reading last night." Don't do it in law school. Your future clients deserve better.

7. Find a balance while in law school. Go out and have fun every once in awhile or find something else to do that does not involve law school. But, find that balance. Don't end up as one of those people who are at the bottom of the class or worse, kicked out because you spent law school partying. It is such a waste.

8. Learn the cases from the perspective of the trees but study from the perspective of the forest. Be able to see the forest for the trees. If you don't understand this now, figure it out soon or ask a professor what it means. For me, it was the "secret" that led to high grades.

9. Do not study the law from the "I think it should be this way" perspective. This is the biggest mistake that many students make. See the law from both sides and analyze it from both sides. Realize that, in the law, there is no such thing as a universal truth.

10. Stop...take a deep breath...and exhale. This is one of the most wonderful experiences of your life, but it can be hell if you allow it to be. Enjoy the experience, throw yourself into it heart and soul, and embrace the process of becoming an attorney. I promise you that you will freak out, question yourself and wonder if you can do this. When that happens, stop...take a deep breath...
and exhale. Then, get up again and keep going.

Good luck to all of you


Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 17, 2005, 11:17:18 AM »
I mean talking to friends on the phone outside of class (while at home & such!)  I didn't mean in class if that's what you thought!

Do you ever have time to chit-chat on the phone with friends?

 ???  Using a telephone? Are you crazy, this is law school.

Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 14, 2005, 12:17:00 PM »
Oh and how long do you spend on the computer checking email and surfing the net?

Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 14, 2005, 12:16:22 PM »
Do you ever have time to chit-chat on the phone with friends?

A response like this is not worth commenting on! ::)

You asked me where you could find BOOKS, what the hell kind of response did you expect?  These aren't magical items, just like any other book, you can most likely find them cheapest on if you have a little patience and, seeing as how libraries are sort of in the business of loaning out books, depending on the strength of your local library, they very well may have any or all of these books. 

Thanks for your generous help! ::)

I've never seen anyone recommend "The Common Law."  Can I get that at the library?

Also, where can I get Glannon's Civ Pro book at a good deal?


I think the best thing to read for prep is "The Common Law" by Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.  A series of lectures he gave in the late 1800s on the development and policy issues surrounding common law (which would include Torts, Contracts and Property). 

Throw Glannon's Civ. Pro. E&E on top of that and you should be good to go.

In the two weeks since you started this thread I'm sure you could have found plenty of copies of the all of the E&Es on for cheap.  No idea if The Common Law is available at your library, but they are but a phone call away...

Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 12, 2005, 06:32:13 PM »
So what does the social life consist of? bar-hopping, parties at someone house every weekend, etc., OR

weekly dinners where you talk about the law?

I've had no trouble having a social life. People are friendly, always stuff going on, especially first semester. I moved across the country to go to law school but it wasnt long before I'd made plenty of friends and have never lacked for things to do.

My social circle is almost entirely made up of law students, and that is almost the only people I hang out with. Just the way it is, havent had many opportunities to meet other people, though when I start working I should have opportunities, and I have met some friends of friends.

I feel sorry for non-law people who hang out with us. We make terrible law related jokes. Constnatly. Law school has turned us into monsters, unfit for society.

Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 10, 2005, 09:43:40 AM »
I can tell you from personal experience (my boyfriend is a 2L) that I hardly seem him as much. He's either working on Law Review, writing a paper or studying!

And he's thinking of getting a part-time job! ::)

Hi, everyone!  I am an udergraduate planning to apply to law schools soon, and I wanted to ask the opinions of some seasoned veterans about what social life is like in law school (if there is any?).  Is it hard to make friends?  Does the competitiveness of law school make people not very friendly?  Do law students usually hang out only with other law students - have their own parties, events - or is there intermingling with other graduates and/or undergraduates at the school?  Is there a lot of gossip, cliques?  What do law students do for fun/rest, if they are not studying?  Feel free to share anything you think might be interesting: anecdotes, comments, comparisons with undergraduate life - I am very interested.

I realize that experiences of people will vary greatly from one law school to another, but it's still interesting to hear what people's experiences out there are.  It would be interesting to know, what school you're attending, but you don't have to say, if you don't want to.  But do mention if you're at a big, medium or small class-size/school.

Thanks a lot to everyone, who replies!

Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 10, 2005, 09:42:11 AM »
Take 2 days off a week from studying??  Where on earth do you go to school? :-\

I'd say that for the most part you can afford to take Friday and Saturday night off (and should otherwise you'd go crazy).  Besides that I can't imagine spending much time doning anything other than studying.  If you can work well on little cleep then maybe, but unfotunately it doesn't work for me.

As for the student community, it probably depends on the school but I've found that for the most part everyone is in the same boat and looking to meet people in the first year.  Unfortunately, unless you live on campus, there's so ltitle time to hang out that it takes a while for a friendship to develop even to the point of where it'd be after a month of undergrad. 

In sum, don't pick a school because of the social life because no matter where you go there won't be much, but that said, as long as you can be efficient with your time there'll be plenty of opportunities to have fun.

Current Law Students / Re: Law Preview
« on: April 10, 2005, 09:40:25 AM »
I don't have friends that have had a good experience with it either!  My boyfriend is a 2L and he said the same thing- a waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!

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