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Law School Admissions / Resume question -- what would you do?
« on: October 17, 2005, 06:50:10 PM »
I'll be interning in Washington D.C. as part of a school program. I'll be interning and taking classes down in D.C. My advisor told me to put it under experience as I will be doing it before law school and already have done much of the work (applied, was accepted, and am securing my exact internship.)

So, under experience what should be the order? The other two entries under experience are:

- Intern, General Dynamics Land Systems Law Department (this summer)
- Clerk, Target (first two years of undergrad)

Should the Washington deal go last since it's something I will do in the Winter? Or second since it is obviously the 2nd most pertinent (behind GDLS)?

Any advice, thanks.

I've shared my stats before, but here they are again:

3.85 overall, 3.97 at degree-granting university (UMich-Ann Arbor)
Standard EC's
Decent PS (about my career as a rock star!)
2 great LOR's, 1 decent LOR
Michigan resident

I am for sure applying to:


Do you think thats good enough? Should I apply to maybe 1-2 or more, or do you think I'll for sure get in at least one of those?

For instance, here is the prompt from UCLA:

Discuss any matters relevant to your ability to succeed in law school and the practice of law and any attributes, experiences or interests that would enable you to make a distinctive contribution to the Law School or legal profession.

... and from Boston U:

What significant personal, social, or academic experiences have influenced your decision to study law?

Obviously you dudes haven't read my PS (most of you), but it focuses on essentially how I almost gave up on my passion (music) due to a public humiliation but have persevered and continued on. I tie on a rudimentary overview of my law school experiences and then close it all by saying how my awful experience has prepared me for a long and difficult legal education and career, and how I will likewise persevere in the future.

Thus its not so much about how my legal aspirations have been shaped, although I do mention it in a paragraph. This might work for UCLA, but do you think I should write something different for BU?

My old school gives grades based on a 0 to 4.0 scale, with grade differential by tenths. It's supposed to correlate with percentages earned.... like a 4.0 is supposed to be 99-100, 3.9 = 97-98, 3.8 = 95-96, 3.7 = 93-94, 3.6 = 90-92.

What in the world is LSAC going to do with that?

I know Michigan and a few others ask for this. They also say you can include a resume as well, but want the "separate sheet" more than anything.

What's the typical format for this? Just a list of each position, location, duration, time commitment, and a few bullets for accomplishments/descriptions? Should I include criteria for each award recieved?

Is it okay to just do it as a separate Word document?

Law School Admissions / Spoke with Admissions Director at UMICH yesterday.
« on: September 10, 2005, 08:10:00 AM »
Alright, I spoke with the Assistant Director of Admission for about 40 minutes yesterday in her office. Very personable lady, very friendly, very laid back style meeting style--professional but very informal. She called the programs at Michigan "very cool" on multiple occasions. I'm starting to like the laid back attitude of UM more and more as days go by.

Major questions and Answers:

Q: Early Decision, Yay or Nay for a standard applicant (i.e. someone who hovers around medians)?

A: No clear answer either way. BUT the medians for E.D. admits and regular admits "tend to be almost identical." Thus, she said that if you are around the median it definetly helps--in her words, even if your app is deferred to regular admission it is (due to having been looked at during the ED cycle) reviewed "about 3 or 4 times" and she said with their "overall person" type of admissions, this is a very good thing. Also, she said lower numbers tend to get in the earlier they apply, so you have that as well.

Q: Mich's medians are increasing. Why?

A: More applicants. But she said they fluxuate from year to year. Michigan thinks the rankings are full of it because they don't consider quality of faculty, among other factors. Michigan feels its reputation is solidified and is not purposely raising numbers to go up a slot in the T14. They simply had more applicants last year, but she said she has no idea what numbers they'll get this year (obviously).

Q: What did she say the numbers were last year?

A: No mention of GPA, but she did say last year's 25th and 75th LSAT scores were a 166 and a 169. Median was a 167. Scary.

Q: In-state advantage?

A: Yeah, I didn't even have to ask before she told me I have "much better" chances because I'm in-state. Not due to taxes, but due to the fact that Michigan has a philosophy that they want to "educate Michigan lawyers." Also, she said the overall state numbers are typically a bit lower than the national ones because there are less in-state apps, and considering 25% of the class is in-state, its easy to see someone like me with slightly lower numbers (3.85/3.97, 166) but with Michigan residency has an okay shot!  ;D

Q: U-M undergraduates--advantage or disadvantage?

A: She just laughed. She said that a ton of admits are from U-M undergrad; her wording was that "We know UM is a great school because we're a part of it. If 25% of our class comes from in-state, of course a large majority will come from the most challenging university in the state." She said that all her peers at other law schools remark that "ONLY U-M admits get in" and that everyone who didn't graduate from U-M undergrad is screwed. Also, as a former law school student, she said that "the largest majority" in her class was from U-M.

Those were my main talking points with her. Again, awesome lady, awesome meeting--felt good. We ended up just talking at the end about her law school experience, post-graduate work. Very informal, very conversational. I think I left a good impression. Hopefully it'll help me somehow!

What do I wear? Jeans (no holes of course), a decent polo, and non-athletic casual shoes okay?

I know it's just a meeting, Q & A deal but it's UMICH and they don't do interviews.

I'm writing the "Why Mich?" optional right now.

I talk about how my experiences at Michigan, while awesome, made me think that I was so familiar with the school that I could possibly not succeed at MLS. Then, upon researching, I saw that the school's programs matched my desires and that the more laid back, valuing "you" as an individual philosophy (i.e. not cutthroat, cold, and intense) seemed a more encouraging, worthwhile environment for me to be in.

Basically, the gist of my "Why Michigan?" essay isn't a programs (though I cover them in like two sentences), or a specific prof. It's the overall way the school re-won me over through its attitude. Is this okay?

Send me yours, I spend about 30-40 minutes critiquing each I get. We're all here to help each other.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Choosing the Right Law School / Please help me trim my list!
« on: August 17, 2005, 10:09:33 AM »
Okay. I have a 3.85ish (3.97 at current school and in degree), 166, go to UMichigan studying Poli Sci (transferred from a small college in MI), resident of MI, not URM or economically disadvantaged, decent LOR's (profs said I was best student taught in 12 yr career, etc.), WE as an intern in contracts dept. for a large defense corporation, guitarist in travelling/recording rock group, all other WE/EC's average at best.

I've been reccommended to apply to a good majority of the T14 just to see if anyone bites, thus I plan on applying to:

UPenn, UMich, UVa, Cornell, Duke, UC-Berkley

Should I add a few more or are really my chances at these schools quite small?

Then I have my reasonable schools:

UCLA, Boston U, BC, ND, WUSTL, Vanderbilt, UTexas

Then some safeties:

American, UNC, William & Mary

What would you cut if you were me? I don't want to go in to serious debt applying to law schools, but I want to give myself the best shot at getting into the best school.

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