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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: How to recover from my first final?
« on: August 11, 2005, 07:53:08 PM »
Gin.

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What are the rewards for hard work and high grades in law school anyway?  An associates position at a huge firm where you feel unimportant, replaceable, and overworked?  There's an ongoing rat race in law school, but I fail to see the merits of the coveted cheese.

The reward for work is more work.  And the more cheese you get, the more you need.  Focus on what you want to get out of the experience and where you want to go with your career.  The rest is bravo sierra. 

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Oregon / Oregon Grad--Can Answer Questions
« on: August 11, 2005, 06:14:31 PM »
I'm a grad from '98, the last class to suffer all three years in the old building.  Shoot me any questions you may have about the faculty, Eugene or anything else. 

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Socratic Method / Re: True Horror Story
« on: August 11, 2005, 06:11:21 PM »
Frankly being unprepared and learning to BS your way through it is one of the most important lessons you can learn in law school.  You must learn to sound like you know exactly what you're saying and that you believe it, showing no weakness.  At worst the professor will just trash your arguments.  I got very good at it after the first year.

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General Board / Re: Anyone here NOT buying Case Books
« on: August 11, 2005, 06:03:09 PM »
I would advise against it until you have a clear idea of how the prof. in question approaches class time.  In a pure lecture environment, your idea should be fine.  However, in more socratic classes the questions may well direct you to particular pages in the book--a book you won't have.  I can see some serious problems arising.  I can also see the professors getting irritated if you stray into elements of the case nobody else has read.  Is it realistic to read only the edited versions?  No.  But frankly the unedited versions of major cases can run well beyond fifty pages of close space text, most of which you really don't need to waste your time on.  I'd suggest just playing the game. 

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General Board / Re: Some Question Third Year of Law School
« on: August 10, 2005, 10:17:35 PM »
Cosmoline...thanks for the input...you make some good points...

So how different was 2L compared to 1L as far as ease, stress levels, time consumption, etc.?

The big dividing line for me was not between 2L and 1L, but between first and second semester as a 1L.  Before that nobody knows where they stand in the class. After that, no matter how hard you try to ignore it, your class standing impacts everything about your law school experience and job prospects. 

As far as classes go, by the time most people get to the second year they have figured out the system a little better. I remember I didn't have so much trouble with reading assignments because I had figured out what to focus in on and what to ignore.  For example, my first few weeks as a 1L it would take me hours to brief cases.  By the time I was a 2L I could do it much more quickly. 

It's possible to take a lighter class load, as well.  I knocked out Con. Law and Secured Land Transactions the summer after my first year and it was a very good decision.  I was able to take fewer classes as a 2L, which was a big benefit.


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General Board / Re: Do Most 2Ls Work During School?
« on: August 10, 2005, 03:31:35 PM »
In my experience, it was a lot more common for 3L's to be working part time clerking jobs.  However, quite a few students also did work-study jobs.  I tried clerking as a 3L but found it too time-consuming.  Unless you're sure that your clerking work is going to dovetail into a real job after graduation, it's really not worth it.  I got all the clerking experience I needed at a summer job in the second year and an externship. 

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General Board / Re: Some Question Third Year of Law School
« on: August 10, 2005, 03:17:17 PM »
Frankly to say every 3L has an easy time is a drastic overstatement.  The classes are the same as 2L classes, though by that time most people have figured out how to play the game better.  Attention does shift to the professional world, but there's also the matter of passing a bar. And unless you got all your "bar" courses taken care of as a 2L, you'll have more of them to look forward to.

What I wanted to see more of as a 3L were practical courses such as trial practice.  Those courses were so popular you had to enter a lottery system to get in, but the school showed little interest in expanding them.


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I did my best on exams when I prepared my own outline and a sub-outline called a "scrib sheet" with memory points.  This only works if it's coming from your own brain, though.  Looking at other people's outlines is only really useful to see if you're missing any major themes. 

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Study group- Yay or Nay?
« on: August 09, 2005, 03:02:54 PM »
I graduated in '98 and my experience was that study groups were fading in importance by that point.  The advent of on-line research and the ease with which outlines drafted on laptops could be shared seemed to make them less useful.  The "study groups" formed when we were 1L's pretty quickly degenerated into social cliques. 

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