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Messages - Wild Jack Maverick

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I don't see the logic of the argument. The brick and mortar law students seem very adament that students should attend their traditional schools or not at all, then in the next breath say that the field of law is really overcrowed and too competitive...better yet..don't bother.

Some of those brick and mortar law school grads who can't find decent jobs are likely to start their own online law schools for the money to pay their student loans. Unfortunately, if while in law school the students are busy dissing the online schools, it might be alittle difficult to later find any students willing to study online courses.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Something different: Novus University
« on: March 18, 2006, 11:26:09 AM »
Has anyone else ever heard of Novus University, which offers  academic, law and LLM degree programs?

It is accredited only by the WAUC, very low cost, and it seems it is categorized somewhere between a diploma mill and an actual online program (as it actually requires 3 years for the JD degree, or less for an accelerated program) with the same curriculum as most law schools.

The school does not operate purely from a base location, but consists of Mail and Information Centers. It has open admission, and requirements for admission similar to those of California DL law schools. The website does not mention actual instructors, but Mentors, which makes me wonder if it is a basically self-study program, or a correspondence course type of program. It also sort of sounds as if it is a supplement for those studying by apprenticeship.

The school does not guarantee that it prepares anyone for the bar exam, admission to the Bar, or that it meets any requirements for career advancement, and is very explicit when saying that it is the student's responsibility to determine if what the school offers can fulfill the requirements of various states or the student's needs and expectations.

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I am still learning something. Two states and the District of Columbia accept correspondence course JD's.

Are there any correspondence courses?

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ah, use a "reversal" of some of the great turn downs that I have received from various law offices....

1) I'm sorry, but I require background checks and you didn't pass (although knowing full well that local state and federal background checks are perfectly clean.
Also be careful about slander.)  If they inquire further, just say you have high standards.

2) (in exchange for that resume in response to the ad) Thanks for offering a position with your firm. However, I guess you were mistaken because my application, resume and touring your office did not mean that I wanted the position.

3)Thanks for your offer of internship. However, I have just received this offer to work at another firm and probably won't need the job at your office. I'll get back with you (and then never do.)

4) I am sure there isn't enough work at your office to support training an intern (or I am sure you are too busy to train an intern.)

5) Be sure to bill them for the time wasted at their office

6) And the absolutely best answer, don't notify them of any acceptance or rejection. Just leave them hanging.

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General Board / Re: Should I file Bankruptcy...
« on: March 03, 2006, 09:36:35 AM »
no. You should get some solid advice about budgeting so that you can pay your debts and also save some money and plan for the future.

Now is a good time to go to an HR Block office to have your tax return filed. Request a financial advisor, which is a free service for clients. The office will arrange for the financial advisor to call you.

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General Board / Re: is a JD a masters or a doctorate degree?
« on: February 24, 2006, 07:50:04 PM »
a JD is simply a different type of degree, consisting of the requirement of 2 or 4 years of undergrad (depending upon the state requirements) and the 3 year (or 4 yr part time or whatever length of time required by the particular school) for the JD degree. Some say it is an undergrad degree, others say it is a graduate degree.

A Masters degree is traditionally considered as a 5 year degree, 4 years of undergrad and 1 year of graduate school. However, I notice that some online schools offer a two year master's degree without the undergrad requirements.

A PhD is generally considered as the next step up from the Masters, and to my knowledge, is the highest degree attainable at this time. It is the actual Doctorate's degree, whereas the Juris Doctor (Doctor of Jurisprudence) is not an actual Doctorate.

The Master of Laws, LLM, and LLD, Doctor of Laws (which is generally a foreign degree) and the JSD, the actual Doctorates, can be acquired only after the JD. However, some of the law schools now offer identical Masters of Law degrees available without the JD.
 

The LLB, Bachelor of Laws, is now generally a foreign degree, however there are a very few US Law schools which still offer the program. Interestingly, some of the SC Justices of recent years had only LLBs.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: My Savior Duckasouras
« on: February 22, 2006, 08:31:37 AM »


It is a prestigious and honorable calling that is attractive to many people for many reasons.
 

I agree. I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.

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General Board / Re: crim law
« on: February 21, 2006, 02:43:25 PM »
secondly, the mistake doctrine asserts that there was not the intent to steal. Although Adam mistakenly broke into a loft instead of a warehouse, his intent was to break in and steal.

Although Baker intended to break in, his intent was to retrieve a stereo which he thought was his. However, I suppose there is the consideration of 'reasonableness.'
Would a reasonable person break into and enter the abode of another person to retrieve his own property? Probably not.

Either way, it seems Vincent is probably aggravated as hell.

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General Board / Re: crim law
« on: February 21, 2006, 02:31:00 PM »
For starters, realistically, and depending upon various state elements, the prosecution would probably first charge both defendents with breaking and entering, burglary, theft, conversion--possibly vandalism (destruction of property resulting from the breaking and entering)

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General Board / Re: What's good about being an attorney?
« on: February 18, 2006, 06:46:54 PM »
It seems a lot of people complain that law school and life as an attorney involves a lot stress, long hours, and depression.  I got a decent LSAT score but I've lately been thinking I would rather be a paralegal because I can still work in law but I would also have time to do other stuff like play with my future kids, sit on the couch and drink beer, and read mystery novels, etc.

So, I'm wondering what the draw is for you current students.  Besides high salaries, what about working as a lawyer attracts you to the career despite the negatives?  A ton of people go to law school, so there must be some good things I haven't thought of yet.

Valence x Expectancy x Instrumentality = Motivation

Valence (Reward) = the amount of desire for a goal (What is the reward?)
Expectancy (Performance) = the strength of belief that work related effort will result in the completion of the task (How hard will I have to work to reach the goal?)
Instrumentality (Belief) = the belief that the reward will be received once the task is completed (Will they notice the effort I put forth?)

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