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I've revised my initial proposed set of supplements.  Here is the revised set:

Civ Pro
  Glannon E&E
  Crunch Time


Crim. Law
  Crunch Time


  Crunch Time

  E&E (sorry Ruskie   :-\ )
  Crunch Time

Some of the above is tentative, such as Delaney for Crim Law (recommended in PLSII) and the Crunch Time for Torts (I'm not sure if either of these are good).  And also - I'll probably get some canned briefs, like High Court Case Summaries (I'll figure this out later).

E&E's for the following subjects:

 Civ. Pro

Gilberts First Year Set
 Civil Procedure
 Criminal Law

Serisously, you are wasting your money on the Torts E&E.  It's very incomplete. 

Quite honestly, I think all of you pre-1L's are jumping the gun buying supplements this early.  I remember being you, being so eager to start I was ready to start plowing my way through casebooks by mid-June if I knew which ones to get.  Just like you guys, I loaded up on the supplements before starting school.  I read them a bit before classes started, but by the end of the semester I completely regretted the financial waste.  Some of the supplements lay untouched on my shelves -- they weren't very good for that particular subject.  I had to get other supplements to replace the wrong ones I had purchased.  Other supplements I found din't work for my learning style.  I will be passing them down to my unsuspecting friend who starts at Boalt this fall. 

It's very worthwhile to wait a couple of weeks, feel out the class, reidentify your learning style, and see if your professor suggests any supplements.  I don't think anyone who waits a week or two into classes to buy supplements in any way jeapordizes his chances of getting an A.

The Gilbert for K's is very good and includes everything you really need to know.  It's also quite thick.  Honestly, I doubt you will have time to use both that and E&E. 

Wait a second - a few posts above, you recommended E&E's for K's!  I'm confused.  Are you recommending Gilberts or E&E's for K's?

I bought both, and tried using both, but halfway through the semester figured out that using both supplements was a bit ambitious and was not the best use of my time.  Then I scrapped E & E and used Gilbert.

Basically, E&E is good for any class that is docrinally difficult.  Contracts (or Torts for that matter) isn't one of those classes.  You can get all you need to know right out of the Gilbert outline.

Current Law Students / Re: True Horror Story
« on: June 20, 2005, 08:04:49 PM »
not that bad! because in the law school i am attending we expect to be called at least once a week in every subject and 1/3 of our grade is from recitation. ;D

what is the name of this brutal hell?

E & E for Torts is awful!  Don't buy it. Gilbert should be sufficient for that.  If you must have some questions and answers, try your profs old exams or the CALI online lessons.

The Gilbert for K's is very good and includes everything you really need to know.  It's also quite thick.  Honestly, I doubt you will have time to use both that and E&E. 

Current Law Students / Re: copyright law as career choice
« on: June 13, 2005, 03:51:01 PM »
Thanks!  Sooo, if I wanted to do in house counsel at a publishing house, etc., would Tulane not be the best school to go to?? (I've been waitlisted at both Cardozo and Brooklyn Law and accepted at St. Johns and New York Law School - all in NYC where most publishing houses are).  Should I wait to go to one of these lower ranked schools?  I am pretty certain that I want to live and work in NYC. 

Also - is this whole copyright thing a risky bet?  Should I have a definite strong plan B?  As I've heard that copyright is a very competitive field...


Thanks again for any insight.  You guys rock!!

Going to school in California, preferably LA, would open a lot of doors for you right away, because you would be right in the midst of the industry.  However, if Tulane is the best school you got into, stick with it and be sure to focus on your grades.  Try to get a summer position in the industry - whether it be working for an in-house counsel somewhere or working for a transactional firm in LA.  Would you be better off if you went to USC? Probably.  Are you doomed to work at McD's for the rest of your life just because you have a Tulane degree?  Absolutely not!

i've heard some people use e-Legalines

Yes, some unfortunate souls do (Legalines are terrible for almost any subject!), but even they do not use them in lieu of the casebook.   Legalines and High Court Summaries (my personal favorite) are casebriefs, which means that they give quick case summaries of the most important cases.  You should not rely on these so much that you neglect to do your reading.  They are meant to be used as more of a supplement, to organize your thoughts before class.  Can you pass a class by using only casebriefs?  Sure, at some schools you can.  But I am almost willing to bet that very few people ace a class by reading case briefs alone.

Current Law Students / Re: copyright law as career choice
« on: June 10, 2005, 05:52:30 PM »
I disagree with some of the above posters.  You can get a job that would be mostly copyright oriented, especially if you became in-house counsel to a record label or publishing house.  Basically, you can avoid patents all together if you become a transactional attorney in the entertainment industry.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L Summer Clerkship
« on: June 10, 2005, 05:46:59 PM »
Just finished week three.  Feeling much more confident and still loving it!

Many law students choose to have their books "debound."  You can take the book to a local copy store, where they will strip off the binding and rebind the sections of your book according to your specifications.  This method allows you to decrease the weight of your backpack and avoid any potential copyright issues.

I can understand where you are coming from, but eventually, the resume and cover letters will need to be sent out, regardless of when that may be.  How could it not be beneficial to get a list (that can always be added to and altered as interests become clearer), so that there is that much less that you have to do when the time comes to start the job search? It's something you can do at home while watching tv or at work when you're board, but will save you lots of time in the end.

In response to Bluff, I kinda started this already in an excel spreadsheet, and I also included a column for firms that have current Alumni from my schools (undergrad and law school) and the areas of practice.  This way when the time comes, I can have cover letters that can make a connection with a memeber of the firm, and if I decide after taking a certain class that the area that a firm specializes in is not for me, I can simply erase all firms that specialize in that area.

Excellent points.  Lists can always be modified and modifications will certainly take less time than starting from zero two weeks before December 1. 

Grades do play a role, but not as much as people think. Obviously, firms are not willing to hire people who barely pass, but if your grades are reasonably good you are not out of the running.  For 1L positions, firms look for experience in other fields - perhaps technical fields that relate to their practice areas - because after the first year students simply don't have enough knowledge to be very valuable in terms of purely legal tasks.  I have seen a classmate of mine with a patent/biochem background get a 1L job at a top Bay Area firm having made all Passes during the first semester.  The quality of the school will also play a role.  All Passes from Yale may trump all B's from East Podunk School of Law.

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