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General Board / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: August 01, 2005, 09:57:31 PM »
I also think one basic black suit is enough.  You can pair it with different blouses/jewelry for different looks.

exactly.

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General Board / Re: Hardest 1L Class?
« on: August 01, 2005, 09:38:09 PM »
Civ Pro.  It's more technical and much less theoretical than any of your other classes.

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General Board / Re: Family Law Internship
« on: August 01, 2005, 09:05:15 PM »
I have an opportunity to intern at the court's family law section.

Has anyone done this?  Any pros/cons?

What would you be doing?  What level of responsibility would you be getting?  Are you interested in family law?

I would be working at the Family Law Self-help Center.  Not sure of my responsibilities but I am guessing that I would be assisting the pubic in disso, custody and other family law matters.

Yes I am interested in family law.  Knowing the rate of disso and custody disputes in CA, there are tons on clients.  Also, it is a good way to get "court time." 
then it sounds like the perfect gig for you.  be sure to investigate what specific reponsibilities and duties you will have.  you generally want the type of experience that will afford you the most independence, so you should find out what this job consists of (i.e., will you be doing intake, case management, research, representation in court?) and compare it to the other options you have.

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General Board / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: August 01, 2005, 07:51:39 PM »
As a 1L you shouldn't need more than one suit for the school year.  If you are lucky enough to even get an interview with a law firm for a 1L summer gig, one suit should be enough to cover you.  If you're actually hired there, your pay check will more than cover all the suit shopping you will need.  Legal aids, non-profits, etc. tend to be much mroe casual, so you won't need a suit if you work there for the summer.

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General Board / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: July 31, 2005, 11:33:13 PM »
Thanks for the input everyone!  ruskiegirl, who perceives them as gunners, fellow students, instructors, or both?  Just curious, because one of my mentors is one of the former deans at the law school I'm attending, who was promoted to the President's office.  She felt jeans, tees and sweats while in school was fine; however, another instructor, who hires from the law school, thinks it is a disgrace to dress that way while going to law school.  Just to put things in perspective, the former dean is a woman, the instructor is a man.  Any more thoughts anyone?
I guess some schools are more formal than others.  Everyone, professors and students alike, dress very informally at Berkeley.  My Legal Writing Prof usually wore jogging pants and a wrinkled white tee shirt.  My Torts professor damn near did yoga as he lectured from the podium.  There's just a general laid-back climate, so those who tend to dress up more stick out.  But when I say people are very laid-back and casual, I am not recommending that you come to class looking like a bum.  Personally, I do not own sweats and I rarely go to class without wearing cute high-heeled shoes and a well-put-together outfit, so I am probably one of the more dressed up people at my school.  I think you just have to feel out the climate at your school and then decide what you will be wearing.  Just don't pull an Elle Woods on us, 'kay? ;)

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The bigger problem with some of the E&E's is that they are not only incomplete, but also inaccurate. 

Could you cite an example of such an innacuracy? I find it hard to believe that, say, the elements of battery i learned in the Torts E&E are incorrect and the rest of the legal world actually uses a different set of elements when arguing a claim of battery. I think you make a valid point by saying that one cannot rely solely on supplementary material, but it's quite another thing to say that these primers are actually in error.
I think the general principles are mostly correct.  Like you said, the elements of battery are difficult to mess up.  However, certain nuances of docrtrine are slightly more complicated and more prone to inaccuracy.  My Property professor specifically told us NOT to use E and E for her class because many of the Answers in the Explanations sections were wrong.  She did not provide specific examples, but I knew to stop reading the book. ;)  She suggested Gilbert instead. 

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General Board / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: July 31, 2005, 07:30:52 PM »
I picked up some nice dress pants, shirts and sweaters at JCPenney too, which is how I was planning on dressing during my first year.  I only bought the suit for presentations and such.  My question: is this type of casual dress acceptable?  I'm kind of a T-shirt and jeans girl, but you have to dress appropriately.  What do others think is appropriate for law school?  I have had split answers on this subject from my mentors.

I agree with janna.  Law students, from my experience, dress much the same as people in undergrad.  People at my school who "dress up" are often perceived as trying too hard to impress, gunners, etc.  Relax and wear what you would normally wear. 

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I don't know why folks are suggesting half of the E&E or even just 1-2.

I bought the newest editions of all the E&E's (Torts, Crim Law, Contracts, Property, Civ Pro) There are very new editions for a lot of those that settled a few issues that students had in the past. Why? The practice will be invaluable.

Whether or not the book is complete is irrelevant. Its a source to further understanding via examples, just because it doesn't have ALL examples doesn't mean its not worth it. Whose to say all profs will cover all of a given subject anyways--they at least cover the very important subjects.

So far I have all the E&E, the Gilbert Property (may end up getting contracts as well and Torts since the E&E tort is selective--only as a supplement to help with BLL and to outline). I also have several exam taking books.

I wouldn't touch anyone else's outline with a 10 foot pole unless 1) they went to your school this last year 2) have the same profs you are going to have 3) made an A.

That being said, and speaking from an entering 1L, I appreciate anything that will give me as many examples and explanations as possible that will expose to me exam like questions...because the exam is what its all about. I'm not going to go for the canned briefs or any of that junk that strips you of the learning process. By reading the stuff yourself and struggling and practicing, thats how you learn to analyze and thats how you will toast the competition. Just watch.

The bigger problem with some of the E&E's is that they are not only incomplete, but also inaccurate.  Even the newest editions contain numerous mistakes and you should always consult a professor or a more advanced student before using a certain supplement.  If you take the time to go to office hours and ask, most professors will tell you which study guides to stay away from and they might even recommend one that they believe to be accurate and complete.


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General Board / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: July 29, 2005, 09:00:03 PM »
ladies, just got a gorgeous garfield & marks from nordstrom.  thank you, anniversary sale!  with alterations and everything, just a little under 400 bucks.  this will, of course, be my prestige-whoring suit. ;)

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General Board / Re: Family Law Internship
« on: July 29, 2005, 08:58:33 PM »
I have an opportunity to intern at the court's family law section.

Has anyone done this?  Any pros/cons?

What would you be doing?  What level of responsibility would you be getting?  Are you interested in family law?

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