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Current Law Students / Re: Best software for note taking and/or outlining
« on: November 06, 2004, 10:30:02 AM »
I've been through OneNote, Outliner, and Flashlaw.  I returned to Word for simplicity.  I just posted my reasons on my Blog.

Some of the applications I abandoned may work very well for someone else.  My best advice is to try them out if you can get them for free.  If you find yourself spending too much time dinking with the software, run for the hills. 

Current Law Students / Re: How many hours a day do you study?
« on: September 11, 2004, 09:49:57 PM »
My study habits have changed since my first post in this thread.  I'm now up to about 2-3 hours on weeknights and anywhere from 4-6 Saturday and Sunday.  Of course, this ebbs and flows.  Although it doesn't "ebb" much  :o.  More often than not, I actually spend more time.

Current Law Students / Re: I don't care anymore
« on: September 11, 2004, 09:44:18 PM »
I think it's fairly common to hit the "I don't care" anymore stage.  I hit it myself a couple of weeks ago but got over it after a good night's sleep.  I plan to hit the same wall many times in the next 3 years. 

It's overwhelming, it's horrible, it's inhumane!  But it's a great exercise in mental toughness.

Are you giving yourself real downtime or are you feeling like you are spinning your wheels? Get some downtime and see if your perspective changes.  We all need rest.

And to answer the real call of the question, I think you're toast if you don't pull through this phase.  Hang in there  ;).

Current Law Students / Re: anyone working during full time program
« on: July 24, 2004, 10:33:22 AM »
I wait tables/bartend in a restaurant.  I planned on keeping this job when law school started, just working Friday or Saturday nights.  But I started my school's four week extended orientation program last week and I have definitely changed my mind.  During the program I go to class from 8:30 to 4:00 every day.  We have Torts, Contracts, and Family Law plus other skills classes.  I go straight home and read then go to sleep.  This week I only had to work Thursday night and it really put me behind about 30 pages of reading.  I can only imagine what it will be like with 6 classes instead of 3.  That is why I'm putting in my notice.  Even though I finished my assignments for this weekend I'm too exhausted to want to go to work and it leaves me stressed out when I leave.  I technically NEED to work, because my husband has one more semester of undergrad left, but he works and we will get loans.  I've heard of a few people who have worked during 1L but they all said that their grades aren't as good as they could have been.  You know what you can handle but remember that an extra couple of dollars a week isn't really going to make or break you. 

Wow jchutz1, that's rough.  You're probably right to quit.  There's just so much a human body can do!

I'm in the lucky position of being able to set my own hours at the law firm.  Plus, when I'm working, my brain is still engaged in the law, which is a plus.  My supervising attorney is an angel.  She recently made the rounds of other partners I work with and reminded them that under no circumstances will I work more than 20 hours per week (they had all gotten accustomed to my pre-law school 40+ hours). 

In any event, because I work in a law firm, I'm always home by 5 the days I work.  Right now my schedule works out so I am off work on Fridays, which is perfect. 

Gonzaga / Re: Gonzaga 1L
« on: July 17, 2004, 09:04:32 PM »
Seattle is a lot cheaper?  Wow, I did not realize that.  I thought it would cost more due to its urban setting.  Thanks for the info!

Yeah go check out their web page and dig around for their estimated costs.  GU tuition alone is about $24k a year.

Gonzaga / Re: Gonzaga 1L
« on: July 17, 2004, 08:51:28 PM »
Hi!  Did you all also apply to Seattle U?  I was considering all three Washington State schools.  Does Gonzaga give out much money for good stats? do you know about job placement in Seattle?

GU was my only choice due to location (nervous is an understatement while waiting for my acceptance letter).  GU gives out good scholarship money.  But, Seattle U is MUCH cheaper and I think trumps GU on the tier.  I heard last year that Seattle was drying up on job prospects, but that may have changed.  Check in the general forum.  I'd be curious to know if their job market is back.

Gonzaga / Re: Gonzaga 1L
« on: July 17, 2004, 08:49:19 PM »
Haha, I think DeWolf will get them graded eventually.  I would imagine the wait will be two weeks.  I did fairly well on the first exam, but I obviously wanted to do better on the mid term.

My concern is getting all this material covered by the final.

Yeah, I think the final is going to be mind-boggling.  I have to start outlining this weekend since the chapters are short and I think we are going to be cross-eyed in a few weeks.

I saw in his sample exams he uses multiple choice on his final.  This isn't much comfort because his DOS program with his multiple choice questions is a little tricky. 

Current Law Students / Re: anyone working during full time program
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:59:57 PM »
Ok... Please tell me that you aren't all serious about not working at all!!?? I plan on working during school, I don't really have a choice, given that I have no family help, no money to begin with and no credit cards. I'm going to be virtually penniless after the amount of money it costs me to relocate for school.

It depends on the person IMHO.  You juggled like mad working and going to school as an undergrad, so you probably have the Right Stuff so to speak.  It really depends on how fast you absorb and retain material which is purely subjective.  I work because I absolutely have to (going to school as an older person with stuff like a mortgage).  I appreciate the standing rule that no one should work, especially during their first year, but some of us have to.  Take care of yourself, map out your time relentlessly, and focus.  You'll probably be okay.

And in the interests of taking care of myself, I'm going to take a nap!  ;) 

Current Law Students / Re: How much do "tiers" matter?
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:42:33 PM »
Check out the law firms who employ alums from your school.  I'm in a low tier school.  But, the firm I work at (and intend to stay with) is filled with alums. 

Also, the partner I work for is directly involved with hiring.  Tier ranking is very low on her list of considerations when she's looking at prospective new hires.  GPA and writing are important.

So, go check out the alums and see if they are firms you'd be interested in after you graduate.  Also, try and land internships at those firms to see if they fit.

All and all, I don't think you need to lose sleep.  I chose my school mainly for location(it's the only school where I live and moving wasn't an option).  Also, the school is a good school in spite of the ranking.  The school dropped to a low tier because they weren't being picky enough with admissions.  The dean has resigned and I figure it will move up in the rankings in a couple of years if they focus on good entering classes.

Current Law Students / Re: How many hours a day do you study?
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:34:56 PM »
I put in about 2 hours a night and some of the weekend (depending where I'm at in the class).  But, right now I am only in one summer course (Torts).  I'm expecting to spend more time when my regular class load picks up in August.

I don't brief much.  This is only because I've worked as a paralegal for years, so I can get by with highlighting and margin notes.  I will brief a case if I'm struggling.  I plan to brief during the beginning of each new class so I make sure I'm spotting the issues correctly in each area of law.

I don't agree with not being prepared to present a case in class.  Practicing lawyers don't get away with "not prepared". 

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