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Current Law Students / Re: anyone working during full time program
« on: July 24, 2004, 10:33:22 AM »
I wait tables/bartend in a restaurant.  I planned on keeping this job when law school started, just working Friday or Saturday nights.  But I started my school's four week extended orientation program last week and I have definitely changed my mind.  During the program I go to class from 8:30 to 4:00 every day.  We have Torts, Contracts, and Family Law plus other skills classes.  I go straight home and read then go to sleep.  This week I only had to work Thursday night and it really put me behind about 30 pages of reading.  I can only imagine what it will be like with 6 classes instead of 3.  That is why I'm putting in my notice.  Even though I finished my assignments for this weekend I'm too exhausted to want to go to work and it leaves me stressed out when I leave.  I technically NEED to work, because my husband has one more semester of undergrad left, but he works and we will get loans.  I've heard of a few people who have worked during 1L but they all said that their grades aren't as good as they could have been.  You know what you can handle but remember that an extra couple of dollars a week isn't really going to make or break you. 

Wow jchutz1, that's rough.  You're probably right to quit.  There's just so much a human body can do!

I'm in the lucky position of being able to set my own hours at the law firm.  Plus, when I'm working, my brain is still engaged in the law, which is a plus.  My supervising attorney is an angel.  She recently made the rounds of other partners I work with and reminded them that under no circumstances will I work more than 20 hours per week (they had all gotten accustomed to my pre-law school 40+ hours). 

In any event, because I work in a law firm, I'm always home by 5 the days I work.  Right now my schedule works out so I am off work on Fridays, which is perfect. 

Current Law Students / Re: anyone working during full time program
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:59:57 PM »
Ok... Please tell me that you aren't all serious about not working at all!!?? I plan on working during school, I don't really have a choice, given that I have no family help, no money to begin with and no credit cards. I'm going to be virtually penniless after the amount of money it costs me to relocate for school.

It depends on the person IMHO.  You juggled like mad working and going to school as an undergrad, so you probably have the Right Stuff so to speak.  It really depends on how fast you absorb and retain material which is purely subjective.  I work because I absolutely have to (going to school as an older person with stuff like a mortgage).  I appreciate the standing rule that no one should work, especially during their first year, but some of us have to.  Take care of yourself, map out your time relentlessly, and focus.  You'll probably be okay.

And in the interests of taking care of myself, I'm going to take a nap!  ;) 

Current Law Students / Re: How much do "tiers" matter?
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:42:33 PM »
Check out the law firms who employ alums from your school.  I'm in a low tier school.  But, the firm I work at (and intend to stay with) is filled with alums. 

Also, the partner I work for is directly involved with hiring.  Tier ranking is very low on her list of considerations when she's looking at prospective new hires.  GPA and writing are important.

So, go check out the alums and see if they are firms you'd be interested in after you graduate.  Also, try and land internships at those firms to see if they fit.

All and all, I don't think you need to lose sleep.  I chose my school mainly for location(it's the only school where I live and moving wasn't an option).  Also, the school is a good school in spite of the ranking.  The school dropped to a low tier because they weren't being picky enough with admissions.  The dean has resigned and I figure it will move up in the rankings in a couple of years if they focus on good entering classes.

Current Law Students / Re: How many hours a day do you study?
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:34:56 PM »
I put in about 2 hours a night and some of the weekend (depending where I'm at in the class).  But, right now I am only in one summer course (Torts).  I'm expecting to spend more time when my regular class load picks up in August.

I don't brief much.  This is only because I've worked as a paralegal for years, so I can get by with highlighting and margin notes.  I will brief a case if I'm struggling.  I plan to brief during the beginning of each new class so I make sure I'm spotting the issues correctly in each area of law.

I don't agree with not being prepared to present a case in class.  Practicing lawyers don't get away with "not prepared". 

I learn by doing, so I do my outline on the weekends.  There's no "perfect format" do whatever works for you.  I've learned other students are incredibly generous about sharing their outlines.  If I snag an outline, I use it to compare to my outline to see if I've left anything out.

I know some lawyers who swear to me they never outlined.  That may have worked for them, but if you're the type who learns by doing (like me), I'd suggest outlining at least for the first few classes to see if it's helpful.

Current Law Students / Re: superwoman survival
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:25:24 PM »
Be incredibly sweet to your husband.  You will need him.  My long-time b/f is taking up the housework slack and I adore him right now.

Current Law Students / Re: work during law school
« on: July 17, 2004, 02:21:57 PM »
Unfortunately, I'm stuck working.   :(

But, I'm working in a law firm and I have 20 years of experience in the field (yes I am a latecomer to this law school thing).  I worked full time while I got my undergrad full time.  So, I'm used to the hell of work and school. 

Caveat:  If you've never worked in the legal field and you are going right from undergrad to law school, don't work the first year.

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