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Current Law Students / Re: USNWR Rankings
« on: March 07, 2006, 10:40:15 AM »
but usually some brave LSD or XOXO hero goes to Borders and takes a digital picture of the new rankings around the last week of march.       

so courageous! ha

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Current Law Students / Re: Treatises - Probably a stupid question
« on: March 05, 2006, 11:07:23 PM »
In theory I think you are right.

However, what about a hornbook like Calamari and Perillo? I wouldn't be surprised to see a judge cite to that.

Would a judge cite to the E&E's or Gilberts? No.

I'm pretty sure judges have cited to Dressler's "Understanding Criminal Law" though.

The Understanding series might call itself a treatise, but I doubt that most academics would consider it a treatise, and it's still not something you'd cite to. Compare it to Farnsworth or Prosser - it's  whole different ball game. When we went over treatises in Legal Writing, some of the factors are pretty similar to what Lincoln wrote. Treatises (at least the ones that are persuasive) are generally multi-volume sets, they're heavily annotated, your casebooks reference them, and judges have cited to them. You'll also typically want something that's been published in multiple editions because that means it's been around a while. Treatises are also supposed to be more comprehensive than hornbooks. The person who said not to cite to hornbooks is correct from what I understand.

This is the test I use when I want to cite to a secondary source: Would a judge cite to this material? Would a judge cite the Understanding series? Probably not.

However, opinionated law students' comments aside, the best thing to do if you want to cite to a treatise is to speak with a librarian or a professor (in that order).

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Current Law Students / Re: Treatises - Probably a stupid question
« on: March 05, 2006, 05:33:56 PM »
hornbooks are not the same as treatises.  Do not ever cite to a hornbook (ie Dressler's Understanding)

From the Lexis Bookstore site:

"This Understanding treatise provides an understanding of the law as well as the values that helped shape it."

http://bookstore.lexis.com/bookstore/catalog?action=product&prod_id=10594

I think there's a tendency to use hornbook and treatise interchangeably, but I think it's probably technically incorrect.

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Current Law Students / Re: Treatises - Probably a stupid question
« on: March 04, 2006, 08:37:26 PM »
I am slightly confused on what sources are considered treatises.

Is Matthew Bender Series off of Lexis Nexis considered a treatise?

Can someone name me some treatises?

I think the Matthew Bender series is basically the same as the "Understanding" series.

Dressler's "Understanding Criminal Law" is a treatise. From this, we can infer that the rest of the "Understanding Series" by Lexis/Matthew Bender are treatises.

I'm pretty sure treatises are basically the same as hornbooks.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think treatises are used more often to refer to books for practitioners, while hornbooks are supposed to be geared more towards law students.

But Dressler referred to his Understanding book as a treatise on his audio CDs, and that is more of a study aid or hornbook, so I think they are all very similar.

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Current Law Students / Re: Journal Competition time
« on: March 04, 2006, 08:31:01 PM »
Is there any way to prepare for the competition before hand to increase your chances of succeeding in the competition?

I'm thinking like a way to get ahead of classmates if possible. I guess this wouldn't reall be possible.

How about reading materials? I have the Fajans and Falk book so I'll read that. I may check out the Volokh book as well. Any other suggestions?

How do I convince my Lexis and WestLaw representatives to let me keep my access over the summer for the write-on?

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prepping is a good idea. nuff said.

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Current Law Students / Re: Socratic method & law school preparation
« on: March 01, 2006, 08:22:54 PM »
i don't even read the cases, nor do i bring my casebook to class.

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Current Law Students / Re: Socratic method & law school preparation
« on: February 28, 2006, 10:03:32 PM »
or you can just not give a sh-t about participating in class since it has no effect on your grade.

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Current Law Students / Re: After the Exam, How does an A exam feel??
« on: February 28, 2006, 04:05:10 PM »
Thanks man. Yea, I pretty much killed my Torts exam. As I said, it was my highest grade. I ended up with like a 3.0 though, which isn't outstanding. But this GPA is unofficial because our mid-terms were only 25% of our grade. We're on a 2.67 curve, so this actually would probably put me in the top 35% if our class ranks were released.

I feel confident that I can get my grades up this semester. Since these grades count for much more, I think I actually have a shot at top 10%. I know someone from last year got into the top 5% with a 3.36 GPA, so it's definitely possible.

Just to follow up on this thread:

I was actually correct. I did, in fact, get an "A" on my Torts exam, so my feeling after the exam was correct! This is really funny, considering that I didn't get any other A's in my other classes (my next highest grade was a "B").

First, before, i answer the question, i must address this one issue:

mp - you are a pompous prick. what makes you think you know more than many 2Ls? I hope somebody stabs you in the neck with a pencil. arrogant dunce.

now, onto my answer. An A exam feels like you have just been through war. you should emotionally drained. your head should feel a little "in the clouds". not that its a brain dump, but you should feel as if every single issue you spotted, you analyzed as if your life depended on it. ALSO, you should feel as if u didn't get to every issue. Thats one thing, if u know ur stuff, you will obviously see things that you should address perhaps in passing, although not have time to go back and address it more fully, because your analysis on the other "meatier" issues took up your time. Its kind of hard to explain. some people say that the A's they have gotten, they felt the worst right after the exam because of some issues they didn't address.



Congrats mp.  You deserve mad props on the Torts grade.  Listening to what you were saying, I was pretty confident that you had done well.  I've found the LEEWS system to be very helpful for myself as well.

Oh, and every 2L who was slamming you is just as much an arrogant prick for assuming they know more than you.

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Not sure if anyone has said any of this, but: Send an additional letter or recommendation and letter restating your interest in attending their school. Tell them why their law school is special, why you want to go there over other law schools in the letter. Mention specific reasons. Discuss any significant accomplishments you've made in the few months since you applied. For example, I had new grades when I sent my letter in, but I knew the grades wouldn't get to the law school for at least a month because my school hadn't even posted them yet (I asked my profs for my grades before they were posted). So I put that in the letter. I mentioned academic conferences I had recently presented at. Attach a revised resume in the letter also.

Call the Admissions Office and ask how many people are on the wait list, how many people are typically accepted, etc. Ask if you can come in to meet with the Dean of Admissions. When you meet with him/her, have a spiel ready. (It's like an interview -- dress up too.) This is, of course, if you're near the school. If you go for the "interview," you may want to save the questions about how many people are on the wait list, etc., (from above) for then.

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