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Current Law Students / Re: Salaries-- Different fields of law??
« on: April 17, 2005, 09:48:32 AM »
try the pre-law board.  you're more likely to get a response there, since it's more active than this board.


I would am interested to know how many of you went in knowing exactly what kind of law you wanted to do...  If you didn't how do you know now?

That is what I am trying to figure out right now.

As I said, I think I am interested in Corporate/real estate law, but I don't want to pigeon hole myself too early..  Or do I have to do that?

Current Law Students / Re: Who here actually likes the law?
« on: April 06, 2005, 10:48:44 AM »
good post

I'm going to enter 1L at HLS in the fall and feel a little anxious at the prospect of a life that seems so competitive and also derivative of other people's standards and opinions.  I'm apprehensive that one year into the whole process I'm going to be as obsessed about rankings or prestige as many of the people I've seen on certain law school forums.

I have friends in law school, and many of them, even very successful ones, seem cynical and miserable.  Some of them. who are really brilliant, make law school sound like an intellectual wasteland.  I've also noticed that the online chatter among law students is mostly about prestige, ranking, grades, salary, lifestyle... and very little about actual issues of the law.  I've been told that it's uncool to talk about the law outside of class, and that your classmates will shun you or resent you if you appear too interested.

What about the law as an intellectual discipline?  Which aspects of it do you like or dislike?  Do you find people who share your passion/interests in law school? Do you and your classmates talk about issues of the law outside of the classroom?

Who here can genuinely say that they enjoy studying the law? Or did most of you choose to go to law school because you wanted a career that pays a lot of money but couldn't get through your organic chemistry class or something? (Nothing wrong with this -- I have to say that I'm perhaps a little bit the same way, but I also look forward to being genuinely excited about the material).

Did law school change you? Did it change you for the better?

I'm interesting in knowing what materials are good to prep with.

Current Law Students / Re: Social life in law school
« on: April 01, 2005, 02:00:35 PM »
Good question - I'd like to know more about this also.

I spent my undergraduate with my face in a textbook, so I might like to develop some semblance of a social life in law school (maybe).

Current Law Students / Re: Massachusetts School of Law
« on: March 26, 2005, 08:42:14 PM »
I don't know anything about the school, but I'm from Andover.  I live right down the street from the school, though I've never actually been there (I'm home in Andover now for Easter too).  I can tell you about Andover if you want.

Current Law Students / Re: How many hours a day do you study?
« on: February 28, 2005, 05:05:21 PM »
Yea - me too (I'm assuming you're serious).  In fact, I just bought his book on Amazon - it was pretty inexpensive too.

Generally speaking, law students are rather bright individuals.  Many law students can “get by” or even do “well” with a minimal amount of studying (“minimal” being a relative term). 

However, if you view law school as the beginning of your career as a lawyer, are you willing to settle for “getting by?”  I encourage students to perform at their personal best levels, preparing for the days when they will be representing clients whose freedom, lives, fortunes and families may well be at stake.  Start practicing now to be the kind of lawyer you would hire if you needed a lawyer. 

So how does this translate into time spent studying?  Devote as much time to law now as you will when you enter the professional practice.  A light week for an attorney is in the neighborhood of sixty hours.

Consider this:  14 hours in class; 42 hours outside of class (3 hours for every class hour). That adds up to 56 hours – one-third of the 168 hours we all have in each week.  If you sleep as much as 8 hours each night (7 X 8 = 56), that leaves you with 56 hours to attend to your personal health and well being, to socialize, to shop, to wash the car, shampoo the puppy and do all those other things that make life worthwhile.

If you spend substantially more time than this, you run the risk of burning out, ruining your health, giving in to the stresses we all (lawyers and law students) face, and – therefore – doing less than your personal best. 

If you spend substantially less time than this, you probably won’t be attending to all the essential elements of high-level study and exam prep: reading, briefing, attending every class, taking notes, transforming your notes, creating course summaries (“outlines”), developing flow charts, and answering practice hypotheticals in writing.

For an in-depth discussion of how much time to spend studying, and how to use that time most efficiently, go to your law library and find the September issue of Student Lawyer, the ABA Law Student Division publication.  The cover article I wrote covers this whole topic, and provides a step-by-step method for allocating your time.  There you will find a sample of how a student can determine precisely how much time to spend studying each day.

If you have further questions about this, feel free to e-mail me.

I really love this guy.

Current Law Students / Re: Dating while in law school
« on: February 21, 2005, 11:38:47 AM »
Pimpin'.     ;)

I would forsee a problem hanging around the undergrad girls because, in my experience, they  tend to be immature and less intelligent than grad school girls. They also have different priorites (i.e. dating the popular frat boy instead of dating the guy who's gonna end up having a lucrative career). Oh well...

This is absolutely correct. This is why its important to limit your exposure to the undergrads.  Remember, they're on your agenda, not the other way around.  Let them date the popular frat boy if they want to, that's their problem.

Bump for unreads.

Current Law Students / Re: PLS comments from current students please :o)
« on: February 20, 2005, 10:43:55 AM »
Thanks - that was helpful.

Well, I didn't use the PLS study method, but I generally do endorse it, and in fact am a member of the PLS Yahoo! group. Now, the obvious question is, 'How can you say it works if you haven't actually used it?'

Well, basically, I agree with PLS that there is very little instruction that goes on in law school. The fact of the matter is that law students pay exorbitant amounts of money to teach themselves the law. Yes, you WILL be teaching yourself the law/legal reasoning, so you may as well get used to it now. Personally, I used a combo of the PLS/LSC approach. What I did/do is read a hornbook and/or commercial outiline section before I do my casebook reading. IMHO, the Aspen E&E's are generally excellent for the first year courses, with the exception of Property (useless) and K's (OK, but not great). I do/did not outline, and generally cut class often (thought this depends on the course).

Why struggle through the material during the first couple of months? Do the PLS study method (if you have the time) and start off WAY ahead of your classmates. Sure, many of them will learn the material as well, but you can use the time you saved to do hypos/practice legal reasoning, actually go to class (this may or may not be helpful), do CALI lessons, and/or relax.

One piece of advice. If you DO use PLS, don't answer questions in class even though you know the answers. And, if you think/do know the answer, don't let your prof or your classmates try to mislead you. You'll see what I mean when you go to class.

I have yet to get all my grades, but so far I got an A- in Crim Law and am generally doing well in legal writing. Still waiting on torts, though...

**I meant PMBR above, not BarBri (I don't think I can change it now).  I don't think BarBri offers CDs**

I probably going to be attending law school next year (if not, then the following year) and I have been looking for a productive way to spend my car rides (I drive a lot).  I know a lot of law students say it's unnecessary to prepare for law school prior to starting but it's just something to pass the time when I get sick of the same old music.

I'm considering buying at least one of the Sum and Substance CD's (Torts or Con. Law, maybe?).  I recently heard PMBR is good too though (the ones you use to prepare for the Bar Exam).

If anyone has experience with the aforementioned materials, please elaborate.

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