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General Board / Re: 168, 3.6 gpa Rejected everywhere
« on: May 02, 2008, 04:47:32 PM »
I know it's been said before, but I would call a couple of these schools and explain the predicament. Ask them if someone would be willing to talk, and shed some light on the situation. She should hear it from the horse's mouth. I wouldn't beat around the bush at all. She should straight up ask if the theft and the pot is the issue, and, if it is, what can she do about it. That's the easiest, simplest and cheapest way of dealing with it.

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General Board / Re: 168, 3.6 gpa Rejected everywhere
« on: May 02, 2008, 01:12:49 PM »
I wonder what the circumstances of the theft are. That can make a big difference. For example, was it a petty theft offense or a theft by deception kind of thing? Was the theft related to one of the pot charges in any way? What about the pot? Was she charged with trafficking or just simple possession? If she was charged with trafficking, did she catch that charge because she actually trafficked or because the amount in possession exceeded the base amount for a prima facie trafficking charge? Then there's the million dollar question; Are any of these felonies? If not, were any of the original charges felonies that were amended? Were any of the charges amended? It would be nice to know more about the circumstances. It's going to be the story that matters, not the charge/conviction itself.

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Plex. I'm dying to know what you were taught in legal research and writing that you think you will likely never use.

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General Board / Re: Advice on My Situation?
« on: May 01, 2008, 01:58:25 PM »
Work some place for free your first summer. My grades weren't bad. I was in the top quarter actually, but I volunteered to work for a judge and at the end of the summer he was pretty much like, "where do you want to work? Pick it and I'll make it happen." I ended up with my dream job, and he constantly backs my play for me. Working for that judge was the smartest thing I ever did. If a judge likes you, it goes along way. All you need is the opportunity to show someone you're smart. Most people won't pass on free labor. I hooked my friend up with that judge last summer, and now he's sitting pretty with a big law summer job without an interview.

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General Board / Re: 168, 3.6 gpa Rejected everywhere
« on: May 01, 2008, 01:50:35 PM »
Expungments are not going to help the situation. Bar applications are worded in such a way that you must disclose expungments. You may ask, "but, how will the bar find out if she doesn't tell them and there is no record of it?" There is a record of it. The record is just considered sealed. In many states, disclosure to inquiring bar authorities for character and fitness examination purposes is allowed by statute or case law. Plus, these are not likely to be expungable offenses now because, at least in the case of the pot, there have been multiple convictions. Expungments are harder to get than people think.

Failure to disclose something like theft or pot possession will most definitely get the bar app denied because failure to disclose is viewed as an attempt to deceive. Good luck ever being admitted to the bar anywhere after that. As far as those convictions are concerned, she's stuck with them. The problem with those particular types of convictions is they go to the heart of two major concerns of state bars; honesty and substance abuse. She needs to call the state bar in the jurisdiction she wishes to practice in and discuss it with their character and fitness people. And, under no circumstances should she try to apply to schools and not disclose these things on their app. Character and fitness investigators will compare your bar app to your law school app and it will raise questions why you disclosed on one app and not on the other.

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I will. When do you need the answers? I'm in the middle of exams right now, but I'm done on Friday.

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General Board / Re: criminal law help! Rape.
« on: April 27, 2008, 02:28:52 PM »
This is where jury instructions are helpful in practice.

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The only really tough thing about the first year, and law school in general, is the sheer amount of information. It's like taking a drink from a fire hose. It is true that pretty much all you do is read and write. But, it's not as hard as everybody wants to make it out to be. Law students have a martyr mentality.   

1L is just scary because it's like walking around in a pitch dark room. You don't really know what's going on. Everything is brand new. The expectations are higher than undergrad, and you have little or no opportunities to receive grades as a benchmark for how your adjusting. Plus, people are gun shy to begin with because they have expectations based on all the popular beliefs (which are half-truths at best) about the first year.

I thought my second year was harder than the first. 2L was just more work. The reading assignments were longer, the writing assignments were more complex, and the professors expected more because they knew we knew a few things at that point. The upside, though, is you begin seeing the same concepts repeatedly, so it gets hammered in your brain.

Law school in general is really not quite like people think it is. It's really just alot of hype.

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Pre-Law in high school / Re: Looking for the best Pre-Law colleges
« on: January 29, 2006, 11:21:09 PM »
yeah, don't take "classes to prepare for law school." take a traditional major like english, history, economics, political science, physics, whatever floats your boat.

In college, I took 2 seperate constitutional law courses and a class called the legal environment of business. All of those classes gave me an excellent background. There were alot of concepts I already had a bare bones grasp on, and that gave me an edge throughout the first year. Take hard classes, get good grades and try to get a little exposure to the law to see if its for you. That and a job in a law firm or courthouse (future job contacts) will go along way for you in various aspects of a law school/legal career.

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Pre-Law in high school / Re: community college+ transfer VS. 4 year univ.
« on: January 29, 2006, 11:11:49 PM »
It would be even better if you could put those college credits towards a Bachelors instead of an AA so you could finish college earlier. I don't think credits from a completed degree can be put towards another degree.

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