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The only thing I have to add is that Rutgers Law School's building is no longer open to the public.  There's a big fat security process that you have to go thru now so its annoyingly safe there.

Current Law Students / rap
« on: March 13, 2005, 02:00:48 PM »
Yeah....Property... :P

How about I'm still waiting for my property grade?

RAP...what a mess.  Its not even worth the headache to understand it anymore since most states recognize and most people just use Trusts anyway, or the USRAP which lasts for 90 years as opposed to that 21 year crap. Alabama, Arkansas, DC and Wyoming are the only states that still use RAP.

I co-sign to what Ruskie said. Get the E&E for Property.  Its a life saver and covers RAP, Future Interests, and the whole 9 in a common sense/historical approach so you can understand the who what when where and why of Property Law.

Current Law Students / (*&%#art
« on: March 13, 2005, 01:38:26 PM »
I think freshstart hit the nail on the head. 

The %'s are misleading.  WAY more people take the July bar after graduation.  At some schools, you could take only the people who failed the July bar and they might outnumber all of the people who take the bar in february.  The fewer the people, the more the %'s will swing.  50% could be 1 of 2 february test takers. 

You guys are funny.

The problem with the death penalty for youngsters out there, white, black, mexican, WHATEVER is that it holds no weight whatsoever.  You guys are placing too much stock in the utilitarian aspect of the death penatly.  A 16 year old punk with a 9mm does not give a f*ck about going to jail OR going to the gas chamber when they make up their 16 year old mind to kill that kid over there because he has better sneakers or a nicer jacket. 

This argument is moot.  Look at who were't talking about who's committing these 1st degree murders.

Current Law Students / (*&%#ro
« on: March 13, 2005, 01:26:44 PM »
Swifty, you seem to have broken it down to the bare elements of K law already.

First of all, when you said "Deal" there can be little question that this physically overt action is sufficient enough to manifest your assent to the deal.  You both subjectively knew you were agreeing to the deal and it can easily be infered objectively that you both knew you were agreeing to the deal.  So we have a deal.

You ask about the consideration, as in what he gave up as the promisor.  Well since he is the promisor consideration is not about what he gives up, its about what YOU give up as the promisee. Your detriment is you having to go out on your own and get your SMOG license. You didn't have to do that, and after your deal was made, it is understood by both parties that you are not taking steps toward obtaining your SMOG license for the hell of it; you are doing it in order to satisfy the deal.

As the promisor, the older student receives the benefit of having a shop with a SMOG technician; apparently something he did not have before that is of value to him.  Your SMOG liscence will provide an overall benefit to him and his business for years to come and is the basis of your deal.

So we have a deal and we have consideration:
1. Detriment to the Promisee
2. Benefit to the Promisor
3. Bargained for Exchange

While this sounds like something that more than likely would fall under the statute of frauds, you know the guy better than us.  If a written agreement will end up pissing him off then it may be best to take the oral K in this situation if getting your SMOG license will not be too much of a stretch for you.  I have no idea what is involved in obtaining such a license.  If it takes a few months and doesn't cost too much I wouldn't raise the issue of the written K.  If it takes a few years and is going to cost a lot of money for you, then I might have to ask the guy for the written deal.

my 2 cents but what do I know, I got a B in contracts :P

Current Law Students / Re: March Madness
« on: March 13, 2005, 12:36:01 PM »
Its been a tough break for both of our teams, but we are mere hours away from the unveiling of the sacred bracket.  Can't wait.

Nothern Girl, while I admire your candor I have to strongly disagree with you on several points.

First of all, location.  Seton Hall and Rutgers Newark are literally 3 blocks from each other.  Seton Hall is at Raymond between Broad and Mulberry and Rutgers is at Raymond and Washington. The "ghetto" as you call it does not stop at Broad street as you imply. (some may argue that the entire city of newark is a ghetto...but that's an entirely different debate) ;D 

Secondly, as far as the social context is concerend, Rutgers has a very social atmosphere that extends from the fact that it is associated with a major university campus and also the fact that it is located in an actual law school, as opposed to a few floors of an office building like Seton Hall.  The student organizations are very active and there is always something going on either at the law school itself or next door with the undergrads.

As far as facilities the 2 schools are similar in quality.  Seton Hall, while located in an office building, does have very nice interior and state of the art design for their classrooms and library and I hear they are planning to undertak a little remodelling in the  near future. Rutgers Law School's new building itself was just recently constructed in 1999 so it has similar state of the art capabilities and a very large 3 story library with plenty of space.

What Northern Girl said about Bar Passage rates is true.  Seton Halls' is higher than Rutgers and higher than the state average.  But where Rutgers falls shy in bar passage rate they make up for it in job placement.  Rutgers has a better repuation with the law firms in both the NJ and NY area, as evidenced by their higher average starting salaries. Seton Hall hovers around 80-85k starting in the private sector, while Rutgers hovers around 100-105k starting.

The difference between the reputation of the two schools is murky today, but it has not been such a gray area historically.  Law firms, lawyers and judges are very familiar with the rankings during their time in which there was a clear distinction between Rutgers and Seton Hall.  In fact, as recently as 15 years ago, Rutgers was a tier 1 law school, ranked at #40 in 1990, #41 in 1995, and #42 in 1996.  However, Rutgers has continued to commit themsleves to public advocacy, minority recruitent, and admitting students with life experience (as opposed to LSAT scores) which are not elements held in high regard by USNews & World Report today, thus the tier 2 ranking. To my knowledge, Seton Hall has never been a tier 1 law school. 

jfk2 - you take price out of the equation which is the largest substantive difference between the two schools IMHO.

I'll echo Northern Girl and say that they are both good schools and you really can't go wrong with either one.


Current Law Students / Re: March Madness
« on: February 22, 2005, 07:47:03 AM »
I agree.  My confidence is shot right now and I'm 1500 miles away from KU.  I can't imagine what the scene is looking like in Lawrence right now.

Current Law Students / Re: March Madness
« on: February 21, 2005, 09:14:39 PM »
I need another moment of silence...

USA - I feel ya kid.  I was in your shoes this exact time last year.  Let me just get something out of the way - the Co-Signer thing...a very good THEORY...unfortunately nobody in the free world will do it.  All your friends around your age who will do it for you don't have the credit to do it, and all of their parents and people who are more established who DO have the credit to do it will refuse b/c co-signing somebody's loan is taboo.

If you can find somebody who will cosign for you, then you better name your first kid after them and run with it.  Don't ask any questions, just do it.

If you can't then you will have to find other methods of paying for school.  While I did get a few co-signers, I was never able to get a qualified co-signer (a person with a credit score that Sallie Mae liked) nor was I ever able to get a private loan to pay for my schooling.  Like you, I had the 18,500 from the gov. and that was it.

Fortunately I had saved up some loot from working prior to going to law school.  And once I got here, the school has given me financial support from time to time to get me by.  The main thing is just to get in the door.  Once you get there, people will be more inclined to help you out.

Good luck.  I really hope you find a way, whether it be a co-signer or cahsing out your 401k. (preferably the former and not the latter which is what I had to do)

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