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Studying for the LSAT / Re: For you 170 scorers
« on: October 18, 2005, 02:05:07 PM »
I was stuck at 168 for a while, but I wasnt really doing anything to help it. Later, I went over some problem areas in the LR bible, which brought my average up to a 170-172. RC sections were always a problem, but after a while I just made myself focus and that, combined with the fact that I'd done about 25 of them, helped out quite a bit. Average at the end of my practice tests was a solid 174.

Financial Aid / Re: Advise on negotiating more scholarship $$$
« on: October 13, 2005, 09:12:54 AM »
At a place like NYU, if you dont have a HYS offer or a full ride at a top school, itll be difficult. Itd be like going into a Bently dealer and saying "yeah, but I can get a Benz for $100,000 less!" Theyd just say, ok, you go do that. But if you could say "Im also considering a Rolls Royce in Cambridge/a free Benz in Durham", theyd probably come down a bit. Im looking to do it the other way around - "I really like your $80,000 dollar Benz, but theres a really nice BMW up the road for $100,000, and I figure as long as Im spending money that I dont have..."

Law School Admissions / Re: "Splitter" questions
« on: October 12, 2005, 12:11:26 AM »
Makes sense. And also, Im starting to think that the splitters that are really going to benefit are the ones who can explain their split. If youve got a straight up 3.0, I dont think a 170 is going to help you much more than it wouldve under means. If youve got a good explanation though, schools can now afford to evaluate you on your true potential, rather than your LSAC GPA. True, they could do just as much GPA hiding for the other splitters, but I would imagine they look more favorably on an applicant with a bad semester or two than one with a 3.0 across the board. The switch to medians allows them to disregard those bad semesters.

That said, this is an entirely self serving idea, as I failed out my freshman year and came back strong. ;]

Good luck, fellow splitters.

Law School Admissions / Re: "Splitter" questions
« on: October 11, 2005, 08:36:11 PM »
After looking over my earlier posts, I went ahead and deleted them. As 77 noted, the math was wrong. Sorry if I misled anyone. I dont see anything out of line on the others though.

Financial Aid / Re: Advise on negotiating more scholarship $$$
« on: October 11, 2005, 08:32:21 PM »
A prof of mine told me to "treat it like youre buying a car." Go in there waving around better deals. Potential students like to idealize things, but the fact is, law schools are a business. Fortunately, they also want good students. If you happen to be one, realize that you have something they want, and do whatever you can to make them pay for it. Theyre doing the same thing to you.

Law School Admissions / Re: "Splitter" questions
« on: October 11, 2005, 08:16:06 PM »
Re: Matriculation...

I dont think theyll go buck wild on admitting splitters because, by and large, if a splitter gets into a t14 hes going to go. I think theyll admit more splitters than under means, but theyre still going to give out most of their admits to median applicants. As I stated before, I think theres enough confidence in the LSAT that high GPA/low LSAT splitters wont be getting the boost that high LSAT/low GPA splitters will get - though this is merely an assumption. As a few of you have noted, theres no statistical reason they wouldnt. If you've got compelling soft factors to go with your high GPA and low LSAT, I'd certainly throw apps at a few reaches. As Leiter said, this change allows schools to adopt alternative admissions practices. I interpret this to mean they'll evaluate applicants more holistically, rather than by the numbers.

Law School Admissions / Getting a copy of a disposition
« on: October 10, 2005, 01:01:14 PM »
This school wants me to forward them a copy of the final disposition of a MIP I got when I was 17. First of all, I find this fking stupid and irrelevant. That said, anyone know how to go about doing this? Is there any chance Ill get this before the end of the month?

Law School Admissions / Re: "Splitter" questions
« on: October 10, 2005, 12:18:09 PM »
Thats pretty well right on Robespierre.

My reasoning for the lower top 14 is this: Imagine youre NU, GULC, or Duke. I dont have it specifically (and dont feel like looking it up) but lets say those three schools have medians of 3.7, 168. If they want to improve their median, they shouldnt offer a full ride to a 3.9, 178 applicant. Instead, they should take that $140,000 and distribute it out to 3 or 4 3.8, 170's. Anyone with a 3.8 170 would be happy to get a 30-40k scholarship at those schools. There is just no incentive anymore for these schools to fall over themselves for the best applicants. Instead, theyll all be fighting over the slightly above average applicants, who they can get for much cheaper and who  improve their medians just as much as the top applicant.

Law School Admissions / Re: Changes in U.S. News' Methodology
« on: October 10, 2005, 12:00:38 PM »
77 - I responded to this in the other thread.

Law School Admissions / Re: "Splitter" questions
« on: October 09, 2005, 05:04:58 PM »
From Leiter:

U.S. News has now announced that it will go back to using the medians, but the ABA will also begin collecting and publishing the median data as well.  So, on the theory that schools that will lie to U.S. News won't lie to the ABA, the median data that goes into the U.S. News ranking is likely to be reliable.

As for 2007 policies, who knows. They made the change for this year on fairly short notice.

What are your stats and whats your strategy? The only real strategy change I would suggest based on this whole thing is that if youre a low GPA/high LSAT splitter, I'd apply to the schools you thought you were excluded from. According to this, even a place like Harvard could afford to take a 3.3, 178. Whether they actually will, who knows. I think theres enough confidence in the LSAT that they wouldnt do the same for someone with a 4.0 and 163. To the extent that this is true, it will be the high LSAT splitters that benefit the most.

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