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[...] i don't get why the thread starter has labeled him "campy" - just because he might have been gay it does not necessarily mean he was camp - he could have been butch, e.g., while gay ,

the convential wisdom is that when you hear "gay" you imagine right away someone who goes with a man, just like a woman does, hence that person is presumed to be anatomically woman-like, hence "camp".

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Consolidate Your Student Loans NOW... Rule Change
« on: June 27, 2005, 07:02:39 PM »
So what happens with loans that we take after July 1, 2005? Can we have 'em consolidated as well?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Credit Scoring and Private Loans
« on: June 27, 2005, 06:57:38 PM »
Anytime you borrow a large amount of money your score goes down until you pay at least half of it. After 1 or 2 years of law school, e.g., most law students have a suck-ass FICO score.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: ATTENDING DEPAUL STUDENTS
« on: June 27, 2005, 06:55:11 PM »
I go to Kent, have you seen me aroun'? ;)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: St. John's or Chicago-Kent
« on: June 27, 2005, 06:54:14 PM »
New York is much better than Chicago, all other issues taken into account!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Transfering
« on: June 27, 2005, 06:50:22 PM »
LOL breckenridge, cabaret ;)

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT 163 = IQ 132
« on: June 27, 2005, 06:40:51 PM »
Gould is the author of The Mismeasure of Man, a study of the history of psychometrics and intelligence testing as a form of scientific racism; the most recent edition includes an attempted refutation of the arguments of The Bell Curve.

Here it is the book:

I've read this book twice. It's an annotated history of the incorrigible human need to feel superior to others on group rather than individual grounds, especially heritable intelligence. It boggles the mind to learn how much brainpower, education, patience, hard work, and ingenuity have been turned to the question of "proving" that social distinctions are scientifically valid and immutable. One of the most salutary themes of the book is a reminder that almost every group has been "proven" intellectually or morally inferior at some point: Italians, Slavs, Irish, English, Germans, Hispanics, Blacks, Jews, Asians, Indians, Arabs, Native Americans, women, and even the white American male himself! Americans tend to be obsessed with race, while Europeans have devoted more time to issues of class and religion -- but everyone wants to believe they're smarter than the next guy.

Gould plays fair by choosing to take on the best theories of group intelligence, the fruit of celebrated minds such as Louis Agassiz, Paul Broca, Cesare Lombroso, Alfred Binet, and R.M. Yerkes. He also shoulders the unbelievably tedious task of replicating these scientists' results and/or checking their research methods. It's quite difficult to argue with his factual conclusions without revealing oneself as a poseur; and his critiques of their methodologies are equally difficult to deny. Gould also points out that many of the scientific racists/classists themselves came to recant their own ideas as they got older and presumably wiser.

The book gains relevance as it goes on. Much of the first half is devoted to "scientific" theories that no one could now take seriously, based on experimental methods like filling skulls with mustard seed, weighing the brains of famous men, measuring the spaces between the toes of criminals, and even simply claiming that beauty equals intelligence QED. The best part of the book is its examination of mass intelligence testing, and of the misuse of factor analysis. Gould's simple explanation of factor analysis goes a long way toward dispelling the urge to be cowed by statistical conjuring. Finally, in the 1996 edition Gould takes on the newest incarnation of mismeasurement, The Bell Curve.

Gould mostly refrains from speculating on the motives of his subjects, chalking it all up to the social construction of science or even allowing for benevolent intentions. He also avoids mention of the worst effects of scientific racism, such as the Nazi genocides. While I can understand why he took this low-key, professional approach, I wonder if his arguments are often too subtle for their intended audience. My experience has been that these types of theories are most appealing to precisely the demographic group least likely to be swayed by implicit historical arguments of the "Since these ideas are ridiculous, perhaps more recent but similar ideas are also ridiculous" type. This group seems to me to consist of people with high intelligence and strong faith in the purity of scientific truth, but low life experience, depth of knowledge, and critical acuity -- in other words, privileged undergraduates. Luckily, most people eventually realize that theories of biological determinism, no matter how emptily flattering to themselves, are an intellectual dead end and no substitute for individual achievement.

jale, your hypo is very interesting, so I'd like to hear from anyone why it does not actually happen? :)

How do you know it's not actually happening?


Law School Admissions / Re: Law Schools That Have No Curve
« on: June 27, 2005, 06:37:44 PM »
I believe that while there may be some benefits if law schools do not actually apply a curve, most law schools don't really have any alternative to it. I mean, the elite law schools can get away with it, but all the other ones would be doing a disservice to students if they did not have some way of doing class rank.

A friend of mine got a position with Arnstein & Lehr LLP. Here are some firm stats:

Bonus upon completion of 2,000+ billable-hours.

Chicago, IL (2005)
1st year: $110,000
Summer associate: $2,115/week

Although A&L has 5 main practice areas (business transactions, litigation, real estate, tax and estate planning, and local government), the firm is especially known for its strong litigation practice. In addition, a growing number of the firm's 120 lawyers are dedicated to transactional and real estate matters. Clients range from individuals to small and growing businesses to large, multinational corporations. In recent years, the firm has branched out from its Windy City headquarters, establishing offices in warmer outposts in West Palm Beach, Boca Raton, Miami and Tampa, Fla. Arnstein & Lehr also has offices in Milwaukee, Wis., and Hoffman Estates, IL.

Although the firm does hire laterally, it takes pride in developing young lawyers, and the summer program for 2Ls is at the heart of the firm's hiring practice. In evaluating candidates, Arnstein & Lehr balances class rank against law school prestige. It expects students from "first-tier" schools to be in the top 50% of their class, while applicants from lower-tier schools should be within the top 25%. The selection process is not all about academics, however; the firm also gives weight to extracurricular activities like moot court and journal experience. It interviews at law school campuses throughout the Midwest, including Chicago-Kent, DePaul, University of Illinois, Indiana University at Bloomington, University of Iowa, John Marshall Law School, Loyola University, University of Michigan, Northwestern University, Washington University in St. Louis and the University of Wisconsin. In addition, as part of its effort to increase the diversity of its attorneys, Arnstein & Lehr conducts on-campus interviews at Howard University in Washington, D.C., and participates in the Cook County Bar Association Minority Job Fair.

Those who succeed in landing a job at Arnstein & Lehr are expected to work hard; the minimum annual billable requirement is 2,000 hours. But there are rewards in store for those who meet or exceed the billable-hours target. At 2,000 hours, associates receive a guaranteed $10,000 bonus, and additional bonuses are available for every additional hour billed over and above the target.

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