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Also, the dudes of '10 are lucky as hell.  Word on the street is that the ladies in the next class are absurdly hot.

What other schools did you get into? What are your plans for the summer? Any tips for future 1ls?

I got into Gtown, Cornell, and GW.  UVA = no brainer for me

Summer job in DC

RELAX.  Get into a study group with people smarter than you too.

u probably already answered these...

1. For summer jobs, how important is work experience before law school?
2. Still for summer jobs, how important is grades before law school?
3. Need any preparation the summer before law school?
4. When is the summer job search start?

Not to derail the other person's thread, but here are my personal responses.

1) Fairly important. I can only speak from the experience of myself and a few close friends, but most of us found firmwork somehow related to our prior employment. For exammple, I'm working for a firm that specializes in real estate transaction, and I had previously worked as a bookkeeper for a property management company. Then again, I know for a fact that many people have never done more than waitress somewhere, and they still landed firm jobs.

2) Fairly important, but not a deciding factor. Though most of the people who snapped up paying firm jobs were in the upper portions of the class, I know for a fact that some low grade people still walked away with nice firm jobs. I think that grades and networking go hand in hand. As you become weaker and weaker on one area (e.g., grades) you need to work harder and harder on the other (networking).

3) This is a fairly contested point, and will be even more once you encounter what many law students consider to be arbitrary grading. My personal suggestion, and one that worked very well for me (at least, based upon my first semester performance), is to do a combination of things. First, I worked through the quick book by Delaney, J. (1987). "Learning legal reasoning: Briefing, analysis and theory." It's not long, but if you actually do the case briefing (rather than just reading it, or acting like you're working through it), you'll know how to brief a case the moment you set foot in school. While I hardly did any case briefing in either semester (only the first ten or so cases my first semester; it just takes too much time), it's a great skill to have and helps the novice legal mind to digest the different components of a case. Second, I'd read through Getting to Maybe. It's a fairly conceptual book, and you'll laugh if you reread it near the end of your first year, as it all becomes so intuitive by that point. That being said, it provides a basic understanding that law is not determanative in most situations and outcomes can split depending upon facts and law(s). Third, I'd work through some combination of LEEWS (good for ordering/understanding exams) and Flemings Fundamentals (good for nitty gritty writing techniques). These are most certainly NOT required, and my friend who walked away w/ just short of a 4.0 had never even heard of them. I nonetheless think they are useful if you're not used to legal writing. And forth, I would read/work through the Examples and Explanations book for Civil Procedure (and NOT any other subject). Civil Procedure is the most rule based and is the closest thing to what you experienced in undergrad. It'll give you a little understanding when you start class of how the pieces fit together, and get rid of that nervous energy that all 1Ls seem to have. That being said, I wouldn't bother trying to memorize to much - just go with the flow at this point.

4) You begin applying for summer jobs on December 1st. Starting in January, dozens of firms host social events in local bars/restaurants and these are an amazing opportunity to grab free food and land a job. The worse your grades are first semester (and you'll start to find out by early February), the more I'd say you need to attend as many of these as possible (and not for the food/drinks).

Good info. I'll put in my $.02

1) It is for sure helpful, but by no means a requirement.  A lot of guys and gals I knew got firm jobs without a lot of solid experience.  But again, I would say it certainly is a plus factor

2) Not as important.  I had a 4.0 from a state school, and only on interview even mentioned it.  By far, 1st semester grades are much more important, assuming you don't know a senior partner from Skadden or something.

3)I read law school confidential, which I found helpful.  Some people told me to read E&Es beforehand, which now I would say is absurd.  I think reading a prep book like LSC would be good just to take the guess work out.  Maybe try your hand at a sample case brief or to as well.  Really, and I say this as someone who was very afraid I would not be prepared for the start of school, you will have or learn all the skills you need within the first month.

4)Dec 1 is the norm.  I'm still getting rejection letters from firms, haha.  If you have contacts, use those early and often.

Cool, thanks!  How many hours a day were you studying?  What about the "state of the school"; looking solid?  And anything that you would have done different going in?

Depends.  Worked harded during month before finals.  Usually went until 12 on weekdays, took Thursday and Saturday night off.

You mean you did school work until midnight five nights a week?  :o  Is that normal?  UGH...

Yeah, but I ASSURE you that it is really not nececssary.  I'd say most people (1Ls) get all their stuff done by 9 on weekdays and don't crack open a book until Sunday afternoon.   Sorry, I don't mean to give a false impression.  There are a lot of social events and fun things you can and will have time to do.  C-ville is a cool place to be

Where did you live and what are your impressions of the main complexes around North Grounds?

I'm at Cedars court which is off Barracks.  It is pretty much a hole, but it's close and quiet.  North Grounds is cool.  The gym is right there too, if that is your thing.

1. are you in-state?  what do you think of the quality of your classmates? 

2. how hard is it to get onto journals? 


3. what are you doing this summer?

I was in state.  It is a mix.  Clearly, there are guys way brighter than I am who were just incredibly smart.  But, there were also people who did nothing until finals.  Everyone is very collegial though.  In my section of 30 or so, I can honestly say I enjoyed hanging out with everyone there.

Journals seem to pretty easy so long as you put in the work (excluding law review).  I knew a handful of people who didn't get any, but they told me they really put very little work into it.  I made both of mine, if that means anything

I'll be working at a firm in DC for the summer - good deal

Cool, thanks!  How many hours a day were you studying?  What about the "state of the school"; looking solid?  And anything that you would have done different going in?

Depends.  Worked harded during month before finals.  Usually went until 12 on weekdays, took Thursday and Saturday night off.

State of school.  I know some people are worried about the slip in rankings and a few profs leaving, but I don't think it is a big deal.

You'll pick up everything you need to know as you move along.


I found a clique that worked hard and that helped me adjust.

Translation: My friends and I are gunner do uchebags

Actually cool guy, we weren't.  We went to 90% of bar reviews and we all finished top 10%.  Enjoy your POS job with your sub 3 gpa, feminine hygiene product

What was the best/worst/most suprising thing about your first year?

Best = atmosphere.  Very collegial and laid back.  I know everyone says that about UVA, but I have a buddy at NYU and he says that is definitely not the case. 

Worst = not enough time to do what I wanted to do (gym, hike, etc).  I studied probably more than 95% of the 1L class, so that probably had something to do with it.

Most surprising = that I actually did well, seeing as how I am idiot.

For me, UVA is a great place to be.  I found a clique that worked hard and that helped me adjust.


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