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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone having second thoughts?
« on: August 08, 2005, 04:14:37 PM »
i was thrilled to be leaving for LS until a few days ago. im getting extremely nervous. i left a job that was very well paying and rewarding. the job, however, didnt have much room for advancement. i have always wanted to go to LS, but this whole transition from work to student is very difficult.

Heck yes, you just described my same emotional rollercoaster... I just left my job and the reality of it set in today (no more comfortable, dual income living; fear of not doing well in law school and never being able to pay off my student loan debt, etc.).

I think once school actually starts, this will fade (let's hope).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Chicago Kent and Loyola Chicago
« on: August 07, 2005, 07:09:47 PM »
Save exceptional circumstances, Loyola did not let anyone below a 160 in this cycle. Kent is just as competitive.

A 152 will make things hard on you, DePaul PT or John Marshall should be worth consideration.

Do apply to both, as you have a great GPA; however, keep in mind that both Loyola Chicago and Kent are getting very competitive. Poster above is right that DePaul and John Marshall are worth a look for you.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Paying off Law School loans?
« on: August 01, 2005, 11:24:27 AM »
You have to "qualify" for a payment plan longer than 10 years? Uh-oh... I wanted to just choose 20-30 years, no questions asked.


Some of the schools that dropped alot: Chicago-Kent, Florida State, Tennessee, Cardozo, Maryland, Kentucky, Arizona State, San Diego, Houston, Alabama, Boston U.

Yes, I have to say I considered this category quite a bit when making my decision between Chicago area schools. I kept noticing that what actual attorneys were saying about my T2 options mirrored this specific part of the ranking more than the overall US News ranking. Peer assessment/perception should prove to be the most important factor in hiring after graduation anyway, and I gave this a lot of weight in choosing to attend Loyola over Kent. (This might seem like a trivial example b/c these schools are so close in the rankings anyway, and are both pretty strong regional T2s. But I do recommend checking out that score and taking it pretty seriously, also try to ask as many practicing attorneys as possible what their thoughts are. I didn't know many/any, but there were a lot of really friendly attorneys at my company who were willing to meet with me for informational interviews; I simply cold-called a few and the experience was great.)

No flame please, looking for people to vote what they believe to be the worst law school.  To all of those who feel the need to post about how worthless this is and that there is no worst school, in any group there is a "worst" even if the worst is not far from the best.

C'mon now. Are you seriously planning on applying to one of these? I doubt it, b/c one doesn't generally narrow down his or her choices by which school is worst. If you're not interested in any of these schools, why try to determine the answer to that question? Why do you care?

Success is the best revenge! ;D

HippieLawChick is right, and this reminds me of a hilarious Frasier episode:

Frasier has called a plumbing service, and once the plumbers arrive he discovers that they are the two classmates who used to bully Niles and Frasier incessantly as children. (Incidentally, one of them is played by the same actor who plays Dr. Cox on the kickass show, "Scrubs"). So Niles comes over and the two decide to confront and show off their success to the bullies together, and they agree that "the best revenge is living well." Well, turns out these bullies haven't changed, never really felt bad about tormenting F & N, and they actually live "better" than F & N by some objective measures (e.g. bigger/better model Mercedes).

Anyway, I guess my only point in sharing this episode is that living well/being successful is good revenge, but also that we are ALWAYS going to find someone who seems to be doing "better." Best not to take any of this too seriously and just be happy with your own life.

f-ing hell...damn you new Inspiron 700m keyboard!

Uh-Oh, I just ordered one of those and have heard the keyboard is small! Hope I can adjust before classes start!

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Chicago-Kent + $$$
« on: July 25, 2005, 09:16:22 AM »

You've got to love this place!

Horrible curve! Stay away!

Hell yeah. Part of the reason they can give so much moola is b/c most students lose it after the first year. I *almost* went there, but then learned a co-worker had a friend who attended; after talking to her about campus life (she said it's kinda cold/commuterish), ability to keep fin aid/merit award, and general happiness there, I decided to go elsewhere.

If anyone IS going though, more power to you; hope you keep your scholarship!

I was elated when I was accepted to my first choice, my dream school according to my criteria. My parent's were extremely proud of me, and I was so happy to finally make them proud considering that I had been trouble to raise. My father cried giving a speech in front of about fifty people at a congratulatory party in my honor.

And then I discovered this site. At first I found it helpful, mostly civil and sometimes funny. However, I became concerned one night after reading posts about the non-existent job opportunities for third and fourth tier students (actual words) and watching phrases like "third-tier toilet" get thrown around. That's when I made my biggest mistake. I looked up the dream school that I had been accepted to in the USNWR rankings. Oh my God! It is in the Fourth tier.

My self-esteem has taken a bit of a shelling, and continues to do so when I read derogatory comments on this site about low ranked schools. Just as soon as I thought I had finally broken through to success after years of difficulty and toil, I've begun to question my worth among achieving individuals. What's worse is a "know-it-all because I'm married to one" lawyer-wife friend of my mom's tipped my parents off to the ranking bullsh-t. Once proud, they now have an aura of disappointment in their words. I'm sure there are other posters on this site who can relate to this, or can understand what I'm talking about.

I definitely understand your frustration; I feel it from time to time here, too, b/c I'm sure my T2 school is considered third tier toilet by some people. However, ALL schools are pretty much ripped to shreds on these sites (see xoxohth, where NU or Texas are considered third tier toilet; or don't see it, b/c it's way more snobby than this site). You just have to pick the school that's right for you and ignore that stuff (or "check out" for peace of mind, like you're doing).

By the way, one thing that will ease your concerns a bit is Go check out where graduates of your school have ended up... They've certainly been employed SOMEWHERE. I like to go to that site from time to time with a name I've read about in the media...  MANY successful attorneys have come out of lower T1 through T4 programs.

And I'm sure your parents aren't any less proud of you. Don't be any less proud of yourself.

EDIT: The "know-it-all" wife is probably just riding her husband's coattails to some sort of imagined elitism anyway, so who gives a *&^% what she thinks... I'm sure that her husband, who may work with or for graduates of all sorts of law schools, and who is aware that programs are pretty strenuous everywhere, wouldn't be so disrespectful.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Kent, Loyola, or DePaul
« on: July 19, 2005, 06:39:30 PM »
Your numbers are way worse than mine were, and your best chance of admission is at a school ranked comparable to Southwestern, yet you bash Southwestern...

Maybe you should take twice before you flame people.

I'm sorry if the OP offended you elsewhere, SW2L, but I thought this thread was about Chicago schools...

Anyway, PT might be an ok idea for Kent and Loyola. I do always wonder if schools are more suspicious of PT apps (like look for a real reason applicant needs part time).  Do you have a BA already or do you have another semester or so to increase your GPA?

Edit: don't freak out too much about this. I spent way too much time doing that and it didn't help anything ;)

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