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Law School Admissions / Re: Law school or keep my job?
« on: April 29, 2004, 07:24:03 AM »
wait via deferring :)

Law School Admissions / Re: American U. acceptance email
« on: April 28, 2004, 08:20:18 PM »
They have an awesome website.  It seems like they put alot of effort into at least that aspect of the school.  Yes, I know, little things please me. :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: what should i do?
« on: April 28, 2004, 08:05:26 PM »
i ususally just read all the posts, but i have a serious problem and i don't know what to do. I got into pepperdine, but only with a 1500 law grant, the rest is in loans. I also got into Howard law school, which is where i go for undergrad, with a 10,000 renewable merit scholarship. i really, really,  really do not want to stay in dc, i am from cali and i want to practice there when i graduate. My area of interest is ip/ entertainment and sports law. I am still pending at loyola, USC and uc hastings, but i think that i only have a shot at Loyola. i have to send in deposits very soon, so if anyone can offer their opinion, i would really appreciate it.

Hey Tuffany,

How is the renewable merit scholarship?  Does it depend on where you place in your class?  If it does, then that's a big consideration you should take into account.  I'm not sure how strong "really, really, really" is in your mind, nor how important money is in your decision, but if you are totally against going to Howard then it looks like you should place a deposit at Pepperdine.  If you get into Loyola, USC or Hastings, then even better, but at least this way you have a fall-back plan.  Don't put a deposit down on a school you won't want to go to.  Actually, don't apply to a school you wouldn't want to go to. :)  But seeing as you have, it seems like although you dislike the idea of staying in DC, you would still consider it.  I might be wrong though.  I wouldn't let your area of interest affect your decision as much as the quality of the law school itself.  I'm not sure how Pepperdine and Howard compare, but from advice I've received, it doesn't matter how good a speciality program is -- its the core classes that matter.  Of course, if two schools are the same in that regard, then schools with good speciality programs would probably offer you a wider array of courses to choose from in the respective field.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Is Ann Israel on crack?
« on: April 28, 2004, 07:52:24 PM »
What???  Of course there's a cent key:

It's right between the and the


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Brooklyn vs. Cardozo
« on: April 28, 2004, 02:03:31 PM »
I didn't think Brooklyn was annoying at first, but now I do (though perhaps I'm a little biased).  It seems like Cardozo is much more organized, and the Cardozo admin have been very courteous and helpful throughout my entire application process.  Cardozo's location isn't bad either -- I mean, it's on 12th and 5th Ave.  There's tons of stuff in every direction.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Stability of Rankings
« on: April 27, 2004, 11:04:41 PM »
USNews offers stability only as far as the accuracy of numbers volunteered and the strength of criteria used to rank schools.  That said, I don't think a 2nd tier school would drop to the 4th tier unless they had a reporting error, but as it's been said over and over again on this board, yes rankings matter but not to the degree that you can compare a rank 50 school with a rank 53 school.  It's pretty obvious that even if there are law firms that pore over the minute details (i.e. School A > School B because School A is one higher rank than School B), they'd just be changing their opinion again when the next year's edition comes out.  The rankings are most useful (and this is relative) to determine what schools should be clumped together in terms of quality.  For instance, 1-5, 6-20, 21-40, 41-70, etc.

In response to the bit about firms asking where you studied law, one needs to use a bit of common sense to determine the reality behind it.  Yes, they will want applicants from top 10 schools or tier 1 schools, etc.  However, I'm not sure that they would nitpick as to deny Tulane applicants this year simply because the school is ranked 50-something.  Firms probably have an idea of the usual T1 schools, etc., and it would be stupid to frown upon a school that is ranked 51st in one year and smile upon it because it is ranked 50th in another.  Why is it stupid?  Because the data is from two years ago, for one, and the usual rant about the USnews rankings apply here as well.  Firms have a much better indicator of school quality in the form of its hiring process, and they also like to hire from local schools.  Cali firms, for instance, probably won't take Kentucky grads over Loyola grads, even though Kentucky is ranked higher.  If they've been hiring from Loyola in the past, they know what they will get from Loyola, and most likely, there are partners at the firm who are from Loyola. 

What I'm basically trying to say is USNews rankings do matter but in a more general sense.  By asking yourself questions like "if my school was T2 when I attended and T1 when I am applying for a job, am I a T1 or a T2 grad?" you'll be able to discern what's important and what's not.  Unless you get into a truly national school, the region of the school is probably the factor you should weigh your decision heavily upon.  I bet every region already has an idea of how schools are compared to one another, no matter what USNews says.

Ohhhh!! Just to clarify, the point I made in ralation to Aa being underrepresented was related to a response your comment received from someone else.

Yeah, sorry, I was wrong when I lumped all the different Asian groups together. :)

In fact, as I learned not too long ago, certain Asian American groups are considered as URMs -- just not the big ones like Chinese American or Korean American.  I'm not sure what other AA groups aren't considered URMs.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Lessons Learned
« on: April 26, 2004, 09:50:05 AM »
My lesson was also to apply early.  You have a better shot at not only admissions but scholarship money

Yup, that's the number one tip.  Apply before the rush (meaning apply in early December or earlier).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Lessons Learned
« on: April 26, 2004, 12:39:21 AM »
Hmm, ironically, I was told the opposite.  That while life/job experience is nice to have, they do not offer an advantage.  The exception is if you've been out of college for a while (I'd say at least 7+ years), then a poor undergrad GPA might be overlooked given good job experience and a great LSAT (since LSAT is something you would have had to take recently, thus it reflects your current ability, or so law schools believe).  Unfortunately, while a 160 is almost 90th percentile (I think), it seems it's no longer the magic number for acceptance at top schools.  165/166 seems to be the magic number this year.  I have similar numbers to you, and similar schooling, and of the schools you applied to, was rejected at Davis, waitlisted at BU and still no response from USC (since they are a reach, most likely means rejection).

Now that the process is coming to a close, there are lots of things I would do differently in my application process.  But right now, I would mostly like to know what I did wrong, if those things are able to be fixed and how.  In business, when any large project is done, we conduct a sort of post-op review - the "lessons learned."  In this manner, we could go over what worked/failed and how to be more efficient etc on the next project.

In this light, I wonder if it is at all possible for a school to actually come clean as to why a student was turned down?  I got pumped full of all sorts of used-car-salesperson baloney by schools over the last year, and was too optimistic/eager, and mostly naive to really challenge the schools on realistic chances of admission.  As a result, I wasted a huge amount of time, money and emotional resources.  The biggest cloud of smoke blown up my petard was how older students bring valuable life experience, and it weighs more heavily than ancient UGPA numbers.

I would gladly pay $1000 to any of the school admissions people, real decision-makers and the schools that turned me down, to explain what went wrong, and what I could do to fix it.  I would even considering putting off school, and working for free in a firm if I had to for a year, just to get a realistic shot at one the schools on my list.

It's all fantasy, but has anyone actually had a admissions person speak honestly about the application package and evaluation?

USC's rejection arrived Saturday. Davis, Hastings and UCLA expected soon. No word from BU, but c'mon... that ain't happening... :P  If Southwestern changes their mind and gives me $$, then maybe I stay in Cali; otherwise... dunno anymore...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How important is your law school
« on: April 24, 2004, 08:23:45 PM »
I am way not smart enough to explain this, but I also think it has something to do with our system of laws and our legal system.  Kind of hard to outsource legal jobs.

Well for one thing, the American legal system is based on precedent, so it would sort of be important that the players in it have some sort of invested interest in the welfare of American justice.  Not to say that it's not possible, but I would question a foreigner's interest and commitment to the U.S. if they don't have something invested here (like a home).

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