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A little background: 3L, attending USD (for another week), have been using LSD since before I took the LSAT. Now, the things you should know:

1. DO NOT attend unless you're about as sure as you can be that you want to be here. A LOT of people attend primarily because they don't know what else to do and end up not liking it. It's a HUGE investment of time and money. Taking some time off and working after ug is definitely recommended if you're not so sure.

2. Rankings matter little. If you care about rankings (most do), don't consider the exact number, consider the number range (e.g., 1-25, 25-50, t2, t3, t4). That's really all that matters. Don't pick one t2 school over another t2 school you like better because the former is ranked 15 spots higher. When I started here, we were somewhere in the mid-60s, I don't remember exactly. The two years after we dropped to somewhere between 80 and 90, again, I think. Now, we're back up at 61. How did all this movement affect my experience? It didn't. At all. The only thing that happened as a result of the drop, as far as I can tell, was the dean held "meetings" to discuss and a decision was probably made to play the U.S. News game better. My experience did not change. My job prospects didn't look dimmer those 2 years and they don't suddenly look brighter now because we're back up in the 60's. Administration didn't suddenly get worse and then better again. Attorneys didn't suddenly stop saying "USD is a good school" those 2 years.

3. Ok, rankings don't matter. What does as far as job prospect goes? REPUTATION. Reputation in the market you want to be in. Generally speaking, yes, rankings tend to correspond to reputation, BUT (by way of example), don't sit there and think that your getting a Hastings or Davis degree will make it easier for you to break into the San Diego market than if you had just attended school in SD in the first place (even Cal Western...TJ's rep isn't as strong). Yes, Hastings is ranked quite a big higher, but they don't have much of a reputation here. Notice I said "they don't have much of a reputation" not that they "have a bad reputation." Attorneys base their judgment of schools on people they've worked with. As "better" of a school as Hastings might be than USD, if I find an employer who's never dealt with a Hastings grad and has mainly good experiences with USD grads, he'll probably choose me over the Hastings grad (all else equal).

4. If you don't want to graduate from the school you plan on attending your 1L year, DO NOT GO. I know, I know, "but I 'plan' to transfer." Most people here have it right. If you're going to a school where your first thought is "I plan to transfer," then assume that's also what 90% of your classmates are planning. DO NOT think "I plan to work my ass off" will mean a thing. Working your ass off doesn't say a thing about whether 1) you'll understand the material or 2) whether you'll know how to put what you know on paper. I don't care how brilliant you think you may be.

5. 1L is NOT the time to slack. 3L is  ;D. In gang speak, 1L is getting jumped in, 2L is earning respect, and 3L is running the cell block, not doing as much work yourself and just waiting to get out.

6. 1L may not be the time to slack, but you should still enjoy it. As much work as it may have been, I could say my first year was probably the most fun.

7. If you're going to do anything or tell anyone anything, be prepared for the entire school to know about it, even if you think the person you're telling is one you can trust. Don't not tell anyone anything, but if it's something you REALLY don't want people to know, then keep it to yourself. Got gonorrhea from that random chick you met in the bar and don't want people to know? SHUT YOUR MOUTH. Even people who don't ask or look for gossip (e.g., ME) will somehow hear about it. Hell, a lot of times, even admin will hear about it.

I'm sure there are more, but that's all I can think of for now.


8. Supplements are your friend.

Until a couple of years ago (and still true to some) Loyola was viewed as the #3 in LA while Peppedine was a distant #4.

actually, i believe this is still true to most (and by most, i don't mean 51% most, i mean closer to 80-100%)...most of the people who think that pepperdine is the #3 school are 0Ls who think that magazine editors (read: US News) knows what they're talking about...i for one don't think pepperdine's the "better" school and have yet to meet an attorney who thinks it may be for some, depending on what they're looking for in a school, but i really hope US News isn't how you measure which schools are "better"...picking a law school should be an educated decision involving NUMEROUS factors...don't let us news be your "educated" factor...cuz if it is, i hate to tell you this...but u're wrong

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Pepperdine vs. loyola
« on: May 06, 2008, 09:21:24 AM »
well, assuming you're considering employment and rank (with all else equal), then it basically breaks down like this:

pepperdine = the 0L choice because us news (read: magazine editors) says they're better
loyola = the 1L-3L and attorney choice because they have a generally better rep in the legal community

i'm not TOO sure, but i don't think u can do just 1 semester pt...i think once you're in pt, it's either the whole year or you just go ft...assuming u go pt the first year and then ft, no, i don't think there's a HUGE disadvantage to this...i would just make sure u take enough classes during the summer so that you can finish in 3 years instead of 3.5 (for tuition $ reasons)

i got in off the waitlist into the part-time program!!!!! pretty sure im going to deposit there and hope i get into the full-time....but im also pretty happy with part-time! yayayayaya!!

just ask early to transfer as early as u can at orientation  :P

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Thomas Jefferson?
« on: April 25, 2008, 04:18:30 PM »
well, i don't know that much about tj...the only thing i've seen there is their library's pretty bad...BUT, fortunately, you probably won't need the library too, if you REALLY need something in the library they don't have, usd is VERY close by and our library's not bad

job prospects here are not bad, but it's certainly not as good as if you go to harvard or something...people towards the top can usually find some sort of work and the rest of us can usually network ourselves into work...that said, if you're not sure if you really want to go to law school (and i get the impression that you're not THAT sure yet)...take the job, make sure you know what you want to do first...i wouldn't recommend law school in general unless you're pretty sure you want to do it and that's something working for a few years should help you figure out...oh, and it helps that your other option is a good job offer  :P

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Sports Law?
« on: April 17, 2008, 10:20:35 PM »
i took sports law this semester and will say that tom terrific is's an intersection of a bunch of different areas of if it's really what you want to do, i think you would do well to not just consider the school's "sports law" program but their other related programs as well (like tom said, labor and antitrust (both big components of sports law), intellectual prop (not as big based on my class), etc...)

Numbers aren't that great.  I'm going part-time.  Go part-time people!  I'm pretty sure (sort of sure) that they allow anyone that asks to transfer to day/full-time after year one.

this is fact, it's pretty easy to go ft even if they let you into the pt program...i think the requirement is that you ask before the spots get filled up...quite a few people asked to transfer to ft at orientation and got a quick ok...the only time i've heard of someone being turned down (and this is hearsay) was the person who asked after all the spots were full

this is how it's going to break down...with all 3 schools your basic advantage in all 3 is going to be the market the school it's in because (obviously) there are more alums in the area and there will be more networking opportunities for you since you'll be there for 3, if u want sd go sd, if u want la go pepperdine...both those schools will, imo, have an advantage over minn in their respective markets...if you're trying to go to the bay or some part of cali that's not la or sd, i don't think any of these 3 schools will make that big of a'll have to work harder to network your way into the important as 0Ls think rank is (don't get me wrong, it is...but not because of the rank but because of the reputation that usually keeps a school where it is) if you don't get a job through oci (the advantage minn may have) you'll have just as hard a time breaking into the bay as a usd or pep alum will...and do NOT "EXPECT" to get a job through oci...your odds are better if more firms recruit there obviously, but it's like transferring...don't expect it and don't do it if you aren't willing to a) work in the market the school is in for a few years or b) shoot out A LOT of unsolicited applications and/or network your ass off...if you aren't too gung ho about these 2 things and you don't manage to get a job through oci which will move you into the market you want to be're in for a nasty surprise

as i mentioned...rank is based on reputation and a market won't have a reputation for alums from any one school unless there are alums to establish that far as i can remember, the only attorney i've ever met who's had ANY association with minn in sd is a professor of mine and that's only because he taught my guess/assumption is that there aren't THAT many minn alums around caliornia (at least not more than pep or usd)...i admit, this assumption could be TOTALLY wrong, but i think it's probably a fair one...

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