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Job Search / Re: Over 30 yrs old recent grads question
« on: April 17, 2008, 07:57:12 PM »
Im Jolie:

In that one post, you told us you were a 2L at Michigan, 31 years old, working at a firm, and going to quit shortly after.  I would suggest removing your post as there are probably very few 31 year old 2Ls at michigan and you never know who will read these things.

You'd be surprised.  But thank you for looking out for me.  As it turns out, I didn't say anything I'd be ashamed or fearful of anyone linking to me (including the comment about my likely length of tenure). 

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Employment possible?
« on: April 17, 2008, 07:45:50 PM »
I don't mind throwing myself under the bus.  I was under median during OCI - I don't know where, exactly, because Michigan doesn't rank.  But I feel confident that I was comfortably under.  I had a really bad 1st semester and a so-so second semester. 

OCI was fine for me.  There were some ego blows, sure: several firms with robust practices in my area of expertise* gave me the cold shoulder.  But I got great interview experience, not to mention a bunch of callbacks.  I ended up going with the firm that was my first choice going into OCI.  It's a quirky process, but don't go in thinking that your grades are going to sink you. 

* I don't mean to sound like a dbag when I use the term 'expertise'.  All I mean is that I have a graduate degree and a bunch of years of work experience in a particular field (and several firms that do a ton of work in that field dinged me). 

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Job Search / Re: Over 30 yrs old recent grads question
« on: April 17, 2008, 07:35:56 PM »
I'm a 31 year-old 2L who plans to do a (very short) stint in biglaw, and I did feel that my age and background may have played a role in my not getting callbacks at some places (to be fair, this is entirely based on gut and wishy-washy feelings.  I may just be an ass in interviews - but my fellow Old Folks reported similar experiences.) 

That said, I got the job that I wanted - the firm I'll be summering with was my first choice going in and seems to be a great fit for me.  They seem to be excited about my experience and non-law credentials. 

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Current Law Students / Re: Favorite class so far in law school?
« on: March 24, 2008, 07:54:43 PM »
Con Law

It makes me happy to see you say that.  :D

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Current Law Students / Re: Mac Outlining Software
« on: March 14, 2008, 11:19:25 AM »
I use a bunch of the Omni Group's products, including OmniOutliner Pro for all of my class notes.  I love it.  I've never really played with NoteBook because it came to my attention after I was already using OOP, and if it ain't broke...

Have you ever tried using Word at all?  I really like OOP, but  I am just wondering if its functions are $40 better than Word.

After trying Word though, I realize that it is basically the same as NoteBook, so I probably won't be getting that one just because there is no reason to get it when I could use Word for free.

I don't particularly like Word and haven't found their outline format as functional or easy to deal with as OOP.  But ymmv I can't necessarily articulate what I don't like about Word.  Certainly use it if it ends up working for you.  But if you do go with OOP, make sure you go to their Ed Store.  The link is on the main site, and you end up getting a significant discount on most of their products, particularly if you're upgrading.

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Current Law Students / Re: Mac Outlining Software
« on: March 14, 2008, 07:11:46 AM »
I use a bunch of the Omni Group's products, including OmniOutliner Pro for all of my class notes.  I love it.  I've never really played with NoteBook because it came to my attention after I was already using OOP, and if it ain't broke...

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Current Law Students / Re: Worst time to be a lawyer?
« on: February 22, 2008, 08:16:54 PM »
i agree w/ the no debt rationale.... butt, you don't wana be a 30 year old intern answering to whiny ada's..     law school sucks, if you're gona do it, get it over w/ young IF YOU CAN...


also, being an associate billing 2000 plus hours seems alot more doable younger than older if you do the private big law route..
::) Gimme a break.  I'm over 30.  We old folks manage just fine. 


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Current Law Students / Re: Grade Concerns
« on: January 26, 2008, 12:07:42 PM »
OP, I wouldn't freak out just yet.  If your plan is to go biglaw, you will definitely still be fine - particularly if you're shooting for NY.  My experience is that NYC biglaw took everything with a pulse from my school.  Other markets are obviously more selective, but your chances for gainful employment are most certainly not over. 

My 1st semester grades were patently heinous, and 2nd semester was all over the map (3 good grades and one low.)  We don't know our ranking or anything, but I'm pretty confident that I was in the bottom third headed into OCI.  I still got a bunch of callbacks and am headed to my first-choice firm.  (And fwiw, I did really well third semester, so there's still hope for redemption!) 

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I'm afraid I don't understand the kerfluffle over this either.  Fine, so there's no mandatory curve.  I know of a class where there's regularly an 8-pt spread between the highest grade and the lowest grade - grading clusters are not at all uncommon in classes where the raw material isn't that difficult and the main distinction between exams is how sophisticated the arguments are.  (That, incidentally, is the whole point of the curve - to translate a grading clusterf**ck into an intelligible, if totally subjective and somewhat meaningless distribution.)  And this isn't middle school, where 85% is automatically going to be tied to a B+.  Dunno, just seems like a lot of indignation over something that's unfortunate, but not necessarily unfair. 

Did you get a low pass?

Umm, I don't go to his school.

Ok then, so I'm pretty sure if you did get a horrible grade, and you weren't sure why you got it, you'd probably be a little upset and want to talk to the professor, no?

I never indicated that I wouldn't be upset or that I wouldn't want to discuss a disappointing grade with a prof.  Understandable.  But I certainly wouldn't go in looking for it to be changed, nor would I suggest that it was unfair merely because it was low. 

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I'm afraid I don't understand the kerfluffle over this either.  Fine, so there's no mandatory curve.  I know of a class where there's regularly an 8-pt spread between the highest grade and the lowest grade - grading clusters are not at all uncommon in classes where the raw material isn't that difficult and the main distinction between exams is how sophisticated the arguments are.  (That, incidentally, is the whole point of the curve - to translate a grading clusterf**ck into an intelligible, if totally subjective and somewhat meaningless distribution.)  And this isn't middle school, where 85% is automatically going to be tied to a B+.  Dunno, just seems like a lot of indignation over something that's unfortunate, but not necessarily unfair. 

Did you get a low pass?

Umm, I don't go to his school.

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