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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Georgetown Class of 2009
« on: May 24, 2006, 01:57:23 AM »
How long did it take for you guys to get the yellow sheet processed? Did the response come by snail mail or email?
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I especially love the part about how 22-yr-old college kids with high LSAT scores aren't qualified to discuss this, because apparently firsthand experience is more trustworthy than objective statistical data.
Post a link to a website that has objective statistical data on the long-term relvency of a T1 education over a t3/t4 education. I'm not looking for data that shows that first-year associates from Harvard make more than first-year associates from Widener. What I'm looking for is data that proves that a majority of t3/t4 grads suffer greatly in their lifetimes as a result of their law school's rankings.
If you can do that, then I will consider listening to 22-year-old college students over 22-year-veterans of the legal community.
http://powerscore.com/lsat/help/salary.htm
Holy crap! A company selling tips on how to succeed on the LSAT explaining the wide salary gap between low-LSAT takers and high-LSAT takers?!?! WHOWOULDATHUNKIT!!!!
However, that only gives starting salaries. Try again.
I especially love the part about how 22-yr-old college kids with high LSAT scores aren't qualified to discuss this, because apparently firsthand experience is more trustworthy than objective statistical data.
Post a link to a website that has objective statistical data on the long-term relvency of a T1 education over a t3/t4 education. I'm not looking for data that shows that first-year associates from Harvard make more than first-year associates from Widener. What I'm looking for is data that proves that a majority of t3/t4 grads suffer greatly in their lifetimes as a result of their law school's rankings.
If you can do that, then I will consider listening to 22-year-old college students over 22-year-veterans of the legal community.
There are no t3/t4 delusions that I see running rampant on this board. For the most part, those relegated to non-T1 schools fully recognize the fact that getting a $145,000 big-law job will be next to impossible.
What I do see is people stating that there ARE job prospects for those coming from lower ranked schools. They may be $60k, $70k, and $80k jobs at best, but we are talking about starting salaries. While one test may dictate the schools that one might attend, it does not, by any means, dictate the success of that candidate. Will I go on to become a SCOTUS clerk? Highly unlikely. Will I be courted by exceptionally high-powered law firms in my third year? Probably not. Will I leave law school with the guarantee of $100k as a first-year associate? Highly doubtful.
But I will be employed. And my performance while employed will dictate my future successes. T1s open doors, but they do not keep them open forever. Hard work and talented lawyering skills do. There are a great many lawyers who did not attend a t1 schools--are you ready to assert that only a select few have become successful? Are you ready to assert that less than a majority have become successful? Are you ready to assert that those who went to a t3/t4 school and failed in life would have done better had they scored higher on the LSAT and gained admittance to HYS?
No, you're not stupid... What most people won't tell you is that any ABA accredited school, whether it's Harvard or Florida Coastal, enables its graduates to practice anywhere in the country, provided they pass the respective bar exam.
Yeah, I hear Florida Coastal competes pretty well with Harvard too.QuoteWhile everyone is hung up on "employment potential", they ignore the fact that having a law degree is much like having a college diploma: you get out of it what you put in. Yes, some schools have a better alumni network, but you don't NEED connections to start out well. I know several DOZEN lawyers who all started at non-ABA's in California, transferred to a T4 ABA, graduated, and started their own practices. Several attained 7-figures within 5 years of graduating, simply because they essentially started their own businesses and made their own contacts.
I know people that have won the lottery. Thus, playing the lottery is a good idea.QuoteThe way I look at it, is that if I wanted to work for someone else all my life, I wouldn't have pursued law school. Why spend tens of thousands of $$$ and several years of your life learning how to work for someone else in a firm, killing yourself to make partner, when it may never happen?
If you want to work for yourself, don't go to law school period.
I can't tell if this is flame or idiocy.
After two years and two admission cycles on this board, I have finally figured it out.
High-scoring LSAT takers, for the most part, like to comment on the viability of a T3 or T4 law degree, stating that very little exists for those poor and stupid souls who were unfortunate enough to score under the 75th percentile. They write fluid prose denouncing regional schools and the tiny firms that recruit from them, and announce, as though they have real world experience to back it up, that if it ain't T1, you may as well not go.
I recognized early on that listening to the advice of a 22 year-old college grad or junior was in bad form. Not because you have no idea what you are talking about in general, but because you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the legal community (as far as I can tell, not a single of you has served a single day as an attorney). What I never recognized was the motivation behind this behavior. Many of you are self-proclaimed liberals, so the "elitism" argument made little sense (except for the fact that most liberals are hypocrites). Many of you are probably nice people in person, so the idea that perhaps you're just a toolshed was tossed aside. I was left scratching my head.
But I finally figured it out.
You, and many people like you, scored well on the LSAT. And you want a cookie, a slap on the back, a big warm hug of congratulations. Because I do not log onto this site with a gaping mouth eagerly awaiting your c0ck, you assume that I am not proud of your achievement, or that I am not jealous or in awe. So you lash out - you claim that only a select few from non-T1 schools will succeed. You claim that if people like me are not retaking the LSAT over and over again with a 170+ in mind, we are mindless troglodytes who have been sold on a non-existent dream.
Well, here's to you, high-LSAT-taker! Cheers! Congrats! Huzzah! I open my arms, and welcome you into my loving embrace! Congrats on your score, and congrats on your T14 acceptances! YOU ARE BETTER THAN ME!![]()
Disclaimer: Before you respond angrily with an example of how you've defended t3/t4 schools, consider this: if the shoe fits, wear it.
While everyone is hung up on "employment potential", they ignore the fact that having a law degree is much like having a college diploma: you get out of it what you put in.
No, you're not stupid... What most people won't tell you is that any ABA accredited school, whether it's Harvard or Florida Coastal, enables its graduates to practice anywhere in the country, provided they pass the respective bar exam.
While everyone is hung up on "employment potential", they ignore the fact that having a law degree is much like having a college diploma: you get out of it what you put in. Yes, some schools have a better alumni network, but you don't NEED connections to start out well. I know several DOZEN lawyers who all started at non-ABA's in California, transferred to a T4 ABA, graduated, and started their own practices. Several attained 7-figures within 5 years of graduating, simply because they essentially started their own businesses and made their own contacts.
The way I look at it, is that if I wanted to work for someone else all my life, I wouldn't have pursued law school. Why spend tens of thousands of $$$ and several years of your life learning how to work for someone else in a firm, killing yourself to make partner, when it may never happen?
New York Law School sounds a hell of a lot more official than Columbia.
No kidding, who wants to learn the law at a school named after a third world country?
You can't possibly be this stupid.
bobwil50 is clearly flame
I wasn't 100% sure until he referenced the John Grisham novels.