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If you're in at all those schools, it seems insane to withdraw now.  You've got opportunities at the best places in the nation.   You do realize that you don't have to work in a law firm, right?  With, say, a JD from Stanford, you can do anything you want.  Get in-house work, work public interest.  Start your own firm.  Work in government, work for the FBI or the EPA or whatever.  Become a judge, I guarantee you'd see results.  You can do almost anything you want. 

Or, you could be pulling everyone's chain, but if you aren't, that seems like an odd decision.

KU denied me, but I live near there.  Are you from around here, or from out of state?  If the latter, I can answer questions about the area.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northwestern punch in the gut
« on: March 22, 2005, 02:33:04 PM »
What are your post-school plans?  If you are wanting to stay around the midwest, then just go to UIUC.  It's insanely cheaper, you can get in-state after the first year or so, and the hiring in the Chicago area is about the same. After a couple years of biglaw work, it's going to be your work that matters, not so much your school. If you want to look more broadly for work right out of school, you might have a better chance at NW, but if you can finish high in your class at UIUC, you should be in good shape. 

Also, I'll probably be at UIUC myself, and splitters have to stick together, you know.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: WUSTL/UIUC visit
« on: March 21, 2005, 12:06:35 PM »
I don't think the setting of a school is too important.  There's nothing I need I can't get in practically any college town, and living in a bigger city is not worth an extra 60k+ of debt.  So for me it still looks like UIUC.

Exactly: word for word reproduction.  That leaves a wide variety of possible avenues.  The Salinger v Random decision was interesting, but they found that the book in question would damage the marketability of the letters, in that the letters were substantially quoted and paraphrased, and also favored Salinger as the letters were unpublished. Case law regarding personal correspondence is mainly regarding biographies and such

So I think that given a law school acceptance letter isn't very marketable, and if the OP offered significant commentary on the form of the letters as opposed to simply reprinting them (we have no ideas as to his intention), then he would likely be fairly safe under fair use, in my opinion. 

But realistically, it seems highly unlikely that a law school would swoop down and file suits over reprinting portions of an acceptance letter... the contents are not particularly valuable. 

Anyway, it isn't a clear-cut infringement to ask for letters, nor to publish results of analysis, and it sounds more like the article would be a "what can you expect to see" type of thing rather than simply printing various letters.  The proper approach, in my opinion, would be to go ahead but make sure you don't cross the admittedly fuzzy lines.  Or ask for permission to reprint from the law schools in question.  Regardless, I don't think people should be so hasty to jump in and call infringement.  It's not worth the chilling effect it causes.

Strong words from someone who is apparently too arrogant to remember the idea of "Fair Use".  It seems rather clear that publishing short excerpts with commentary obviously falls under the fair use provisions.  Furthermore, sharing copyrighted matierial with someone generally isn't going to result in any kind of suit, and the real onus would be upon the person who published it, not the person who shared the letter.  RIAA not withstanding, letters and such aren't going to be treated as confidential info that one is not allowed to share.  If it is, I guess they had best sue my wife and my friends who saw my acceptance letters, no?

But regardless, the only point you really adressed was that the OP would be violating copyrightlaw by printing the letters.  He did not state that it was his intention, he might be doing a statistical analysis, he could point out similarities, etc.  As long as he adds substantially to the work with commentary, it is almost certainly fair use.

So I suggest that you either go back to school, or stop making assumptions and act like a professional, or in the very least, not like a child.  Let me finish this post with a link or two for you, just so you can refresh your understanding, which seems to be severely lacking:

Law School Admissions / Re: Spinoff- Is a JD a Master's or Doctorate?
« on: March 19, 2005, 07:24:12 PM »
As stated above, everyone I have talked to said that an LLM is basically only really useful for international lawyers/law students.  If you get a JD in the US, you can teach, practice, all the good stuff.  Most firms don't consider an LLM as a significant bonus when hiring.  I think it's looked at sort of like a PhD in engineering... sort of a "I wasn't ready for the real world" degree.  Some places might like it, but most places won't care that much, especially since it's more theory/learning but not actual training (which you generally recieve on the job).

So if you want to be a lawprof, start writing, get in the journals, make excellent grades, clerk for famous people, etc. Don't worry about the LLM.

To be honest, I feel like laughing when I read these kinds of posts.

Let's look at some facts:

1.  You're going to be in law school.  That means you are going to be busy, busy, busy. 

2.  You're probably in law school to start a good career, and that means extracurriculars (moot court, whatever).  This means more work, and less time.

3.  Law school is only three years.  You can get internships or whatever outside of the local area during the summer, especially if you have a strong resume (see points 1 and 2). 

So, to my way of thinking, the community you live in is certainly secondary to the school's ability to place you and to educate you.  Unless you're going to go into suicial depression unless you can take in a broadway play or whatever it is that you think is missing from a school's location, it shouldn't be a major consideration unless you're looking at two almost identical schools.  You're not going to have a ton of time to be hanging out and having fun if you are serious about your studies, and if you are going to law school to have fun, then please come to my school :)  Anyway, my point is that the more serious you are about doing well in a law career, the less that going to school in a "neat" setting matters.  EVERY school will have plenty of fun things to do for those rare occasions when you have a lot of free time.  Of course, you obviously have your own priorities, but to me it seems rather silly to base a decision on how nice a city it is unless you are comparing two nearly identical schools.

Choosing the Right Law School / WUSTL/UIUC visit
« on: March 19, 2005, 06:57:26 PM »
I visited both these schools thursday and friday, so here are my short impressions:

UIUC:  The building wasn't anything special, but it wasn't terrible like a lot of people seem to think.  Students seemed pretty cool overall, a bit competitive but no one seemed agressive about it.  This wasn't an admitted students day, and the scool was a bit deserted because of the basketball game, but I talked to Paul Pless who was very helpful.  The town is decent, but I'm not one of the city kids who have to live near an opera house or something.  There were a lot of decent looking bars and food places, and the campus had good parking.  Rent at the various areas appeared to be fairly inexpensive.

WUSTL:  This building was of course pretty amazing.  The students seemed a little bit more laid back that UIUC, but also a bit less focused.  The campus is really nice as well, and they have shuttles and various forms of public transportation.  The admissions people were all very nice.  Cost of living looked to be a bit higher but not as bad as I had figured. 

All in all, I was very impressed with WUSTL, and St. Louis seems like it would be a little more exciting place to live, but the schools reps and placement are nearly identical.  I am not sure that WUSTL would be worth the extra 20k a year, especially since as a law student one doesn't have an excessive amount of time to go daytripping or whatever.  One other thing we looked at was the availability of employment for my wife during school.  We were somewhat worried about this at UIUC, but there seemed to be a lot of work available.

Anyone else visit?  Please share your impressions.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: IN AT WASH U !!!!!!!!!!
« on: March 14, 2005, 10:12:29 AM »
My wife and I will be attending the admitted students day.  Not sure if we are going to make the Thursday dinner thing, but we'll be there on Friday for sure.  We're visiting UIUC on the same trip.  Anyway, I'm sure there will be nametags of some sort, so if you look for one that says dconrad, that'll be me :)

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