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General Off-Topic Board / Re: evildoer registry
« on: July 07, 2005, 09:37:05 AM »
oh heah?  here little test for you, putz:  yes or no, do you agree that states should comply with bill of rights?

The Bill of Rights is a Federal matter. Where are you going with this one?

first, julie wants your position to be clear, and then she'll help; you out.  let's keep this simple, all you numbnuts, and stick with first amendment at least for moment.  so it your position, julie takes it, that states need not comply with it?  yes or no?

Actually Julie, to answer your question, you have to focus on the Tenth Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Tenth Amendment guaranteed the states' rights to self-government.  If the states had not delegated a particular power to teh federal government, and if the Constitution had not forbidden the power to the states, than it remained as reserved to the states or the people.  For Thomas Jefferson this was the cornerstone of the entire Constitution.  Its presence in the Bill of Rights serves to remind us of the importance of self-government in the minds of Americans of the early republic.
Since the states existed prior to the federal government, they were the source of whatever power the federal government had.  Thomas Jefferson determined the consitutionality of proposed legislation on this basis:  If he did not find the power spelled out in Article I, Section 8, then it remained reserved to the states.  It would be unconstitutional for the federal government to exercise the proposed power.  If the Tenth Amendment were still taken seriously, most of the federal government's present activity would not exist.  That's why no on in Washington mentions it.

Thus, to answer your question about should states should comply with the Bill of Rights is misleading.  The accurate phrasing should be be: do they have to comply with the Bill of Rights.  The real answer is - it's up to each individual state to determine that.  At, that's what it was supposed to be.

  

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 08:14:04 PM »
one more point about our wonderful president:

if someone cares so passionately about killing someone else's kid, that person should at least give honest reasons why.

i'm still waiting for the "weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION".

even if iraq had weapons of mass destruction...they couldn't deploy them.  they simply just don't have the technology.  aaaah...but we do. hmm.

i love this country...i love my country...please don't send me to guantanamo bay cuba.  i'm a darkie.

As someone who's served side by side with men of every nationality, and who's life was saved by a black buddy over in Iraq, I just have to shake my head at that comment.  

We in the military try to be the example of what America should always strive towards - a color blind society.  Trust me, every man stands on his own merits in the military.  I never so much as heard a racist joke during my service.  You succeed and fail on your own merits.  Every ones blood runs red when shot.

As far as Gitmo.... they holding some very bad people there.  Pray for the service men who have to guard them.  They have to have more courage than most could ever hope to have.  And they do it to help keep us safe.

Good night all.  

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 08:04:44 PM »

I spent 15 months in Iraq.  I've seen the things terrorists do.  Trust me, we're doing the right thing over there.

thanks for your service.  sincerely.

I appreciate it.  You'd be surprised how many service people are just like the people who post on this board - there are some very different opinions out there in the field, trust me.

I just hope you recognize none of us soldier types are being 'duped' by our goverenment over in the Middle East.  We sincerely believe in what we're doing in Iraq. Nothing would make me happier than to see those Iraqis' lead the Middle East into an era of democracy, human rights, & peace.  

Ya know, I've spent a good chunck of time in a lot rough, scary places in the world.  The hope is is that we're both helping protect our country AND make the lives of the people in those countries better.  Could the methodology be better sometimes?  Sure.  But I believe in my soul that the USA does the best in can in a complicated, dangerous world.

Speaking as someone who's seen both the worst and best of humanity in a lot of places around the globe, I think I can say better than most that God has truly blessed America, and blessed each and every one of us by allowing us to reside here.  

God Bless America, and God Bless each and every one of you crazy kids - even those who think that sending daughters into harms way is the right thing to do.

Have a Happy 4th!

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 07:52:47 PM »
Mustbeme, I doubt you ever served, even if you did I doubt you fought.  So shutthefuckup!

Alright man, since you can't play nice and debate like a normal human being, you have been reported.  Have a nice day

Wow you really are a tough guy. I've been reported, wow.

You're a moron and we are all dumber for having to listen to your ignorant rantings.  You make everyone who agrees with your viewpoint look stupid and I would put money that they would have nothing to do with you.

Hey Be10dwn,

I appreicate your efforts to get Swordfish to behave in a more respectful manner, but honestly, don't waste your time.

Part of his lashing out may be due to his anger over his father being an injured vet, or maybe b/c his friend died.  I assuming both facts to be true, but have some reservations about it.  Lord knows that if they are true, both men would be ashamed of his behavior.  That's probably punishment enough.

Look, he's young, probably still in his mid teens.  Let him rant.  We've all done things we're not proud of - this is just his turn.

In any event, I've appreciated your comments throughout this thread.

I only regret mentioning my dad and my friend, guess my emotions got the best of me for a sec.  In all seriousness can you guys not understand sarcasm, look at all of my post.  I refuse to be serious.  You all did catch me for a second earlier today, guess I should apologize for that.  The rest is just shits and giggles for me.

I bear you no ill will Swordfish.  I recognize a rabble rouser when I read one.  Hell, I've served with more than few.  We need a few souls like that around when things are tense, both to lighten the mood and to mark themselves for a serious arse kicking when we got back to base!

Don't sweat.  And hey, think about picking up where your poppa left off.  

Happy 4th!

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 07:48:15 PM »


BTW, Bush was SUNK until 911 happened!  Giulani was an embarrasment as well until 911.

good to know, now who cares?  he won a second term.  2 for 2.

Thankfully, he has no terms left.  He got his second term by taking us to war, Dude.  Got it?

I spent 15 months in Iraq.  I've seen the things terrorists do.  Trust me, we're doing the right thing over there.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 07:43:53 PM »
Mustbeme, I doubt you ever served, even if you did I doubt you fought.  So shutthefuckup!

Alright man, since you can't play nice and debate like a normal human being, you have been reported.  Have a nice day

Wow you really are a tough guy. I've been reported, wow.

You're a moron and we are all dumber for having to listen to your ignorant rantings.  You make everyone who agrees with your viewpoint look stupid and I would put money that they would have nothing to do with you.

Hey Be10dwn,

I appreicate your efforts to get Swordfish to behave in a more respectful manner, but honestly, don't waste your time.

Part of his lashing out may be due to his anger over his father being an injured vet, or maybe b/c his friend died.  I assuming both facts to be true, but have some reservations about it.  Lord knows that if they are true, both men would be ashamed of his behavior.  That's probably punishment enough.

Look, he's young, probably still in his mid teens.  Let him rant.  We've all done things we're not proud of - this is just his turn.

In any event, I've appreciated your comments throughout this thread.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 03:06:09 PM »
I feel that the civility of this discussion is rapidly deteriorating (on both sides).  Can't we all just get along?   ;D

Fuckgetting along

I've got two purple hearts Swordfish.  I also have two children who hardly know me b/c I've been gone so long.  You wanna talk sacrifice to me, boy?

And it's real easy to name call behind a keyboard.  That's why I don't do it.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 03:02:33 PM »
You see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself.  To know that what I do truly matters.  To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.

That kind of sentiment is very appealing, and I think, although it hasn't been put to the test, that if I believed that our military was something great and noble, and that our country was doing the right things for the right reasons, I would be willing to put my life on the line for that.  I might even be willing to put myself into a place where I would kill for that, though I'm not sure.

The problem is that I just don't have that kind of faith in our government, and its use of the military.  It's done too many terrible things in the past (as have most other governments; I'm not saying it's unique in that respect).  I wish I felt like our government was something I could trust and respect that much.

Exactly.  Good post. 

MustbMe, that was a great rehash of army recruiting/advertising material.  As for looking God in the eye...you feel that sacrificing yourself for America let's you look God in the eye, while others think that sacrificing themselves for their countries and causes make it easier for them to look their God in the eye.  In the end it's all rhetoric bull.  God, if he/she is out there, is for HUMANKIND, not just for humans that just happened to be born in a certain area code.  God is not an American.

BP,

I know you won't care, but I know several fine young men who died to help further democracy in other parts of the world.  They also died to help defend our Country and our Constitution, which guarantee your freedom of speach. 

I wish you could visit North Korea, the Middle East, and portions of Africa.  You do know that they still practice slavery in those parts of the world, right?  I know, I know, there's nothing special about America.....

You, I was tempted to go on a rant here, and tell you what I really thought about you
, but considering that July 4th is just around the corner, I thought about something else instead.  How about you visit a VA hospital over the weekend.  Or, maybe, you visit a veterans cemetary and place a few small American flags on their graves.  Granted I know such actions are beneath you, considering they died for rhetoric bull....

Yea, why don't you print out what you just posted, stick it in the back of your pants pocket, and go do SOMETHING to thank a veteran.  Maybe, just maybe, you'll discover something about yourself in the process. 

God Bless America BP

I could care less what you think of me or if you choose to tell me or not.  HTH

It's interesting how you took my post and interpreted it as an anti-veteran, anti-soldier post.  When that isn't the case at all.  You've really learned to apply the Republican strategy well though, I'll give you that.  Note however, that the (you don't support our troops) b.s isn't going to work forever.  Give it up.  My post was about you invoking God.  Somehow you ignored that.

So let me get this straight BP, fighting for your country is rheotoric bull, those of us who do fight are and are proud of it and their country are just applying some sort of Republican strategy (as if we ever asked our buddies "so are you a Democrat or a Republican), but that not anti-veteran and anti-solder.  Whatever BP.  Happy 4th of July.  

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 02:53:54 PM »
The problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again.  At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done.  We have to be successful, we have no choice.  Does nobody on the liberal side understand this?  All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem.  If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.



Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!

Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum.  Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve.  History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.

I don't care about vacuums. I care about human lives.

Do you really think that the two are separate entities?  What does history teach us about revolution and the ensuing struggle for power?  If you create a power vacuum, then many, many human lives are certain to be lost.

Not americans

Than you have nothing to worry about Swordfish.  It isn't like you'll ever wear the Uniform.  I do admit, though, it's a lot easier to dump all over those of us who do, but I digress...

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« on: June 30, 2005, 02:39:54 PM »
You see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself.  To know that what I do truly matters.  To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.

That kind of sentiment is very appealing, and I think, although it hasn't been put to the test, that if I believed that our military was something great and noble, and that our country was doing the right things for the right reasons, I would be willing to put my life on the line for that.  I might even be willing to put myself into a place where I would kill for that, though I'm not sure.

The problem is that I just don't have that kind of faith in our government, and its use of the military.  It's done too many terrible things in the past (as have most other governments; I'm not saying it's unique in that respect).  I wish I felt like our government was something I could trust and respect that much.

Exactly.  Good post.  

MustbMe, that was a great rehash of army recruiting/advertising material.  As for looking God in the eye...you feel that sacrificing yourself for America let's you look God in the eye, while others think that sacrificing themselves for their countries and causes make it easier for them to look their God in the eye.  In the end it's all rhetoric bull.  God, if he/she is out there, is for HUMANKIND, not just for humans that just happened to be born in a certain area code.  God is not an American.

BP,

I know you won't care, but I know several fine young men who died to help further democracy in other parts of the world.  They also died to help defend our Country and our Constitution, which guarantee your freedom of speach.  

I wish you could visit North Korea, the Middle East, and portions of Africa.  You do know that they still practice slavery in those parts of the world, right?  I know, I know, there's nothing special about America.....

You, I was tempted to go on a rant here, and tell you what I really thought about you, but considering that July 4th is just around the corner, I thought about something else instead.  How about you visit a VA hospital over the weekend.  Or, maybe, you visit a veterans cemetary and place a few small American flags on their graves.  Granted I know such actions are beneath you, considering they died for rhetoric bull....

Yea, why don't you print out what you just posted, stick it in the back of your pants pocket, and go do SOMETHING to thank a veteran.  Maybe, just maybe, you'll discover something about yourself in the process.  

God Bless America BP

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