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Current Law Students / Re: 0L - Suggested pre-study ?
« on: December 12, 2007, 03:15:35 PM »
Take an economics class. It will help you with contracts.

Go to the local court house and watch a few cases.

dont take economics.  its stupid and outside of U Mich or George Mason, its probably pointless to have any background.  

I, unfortunately, have to second the Coase, Calabressi and Malamed suggestions, and I'm going to go ahead and throw in Posner.

Our Property prof was big into Law and Economics, so the Econ majors pretty much raped everybody when it came to understanding things like "Pareto-optimality".

On the other hand, I did a bit of 0L prep for my courses, and two things happened. They may not happen to you, but:

1) I realized that I would have no idea who my professors would be.
2) Not knowing who my professors would be in advance, by the time I did find out, it was too late to get a leg up in the form of a prior student's outline or even a copy of a syllabus.

Which lead to 3) Almost all of the 0L prep materials I bought for Property course (and to a lesser extent Civ Pro and Con Law) was useless because the professor had his own particular way of teaching the concepts of property law; we didn't even cover adverse possession!

So, your mileage will definately vary.

You're stupid, except for your advice about having lots of sex with undergrad girls.  Coase and Calabresi provide the foundation for the modern systems of torts, property, contracts, criminal, and tax law.  Your understanding would be much more complete if you came in knowing the basic economic concepts of Pareto/Kaldor-Hicksian efficiency, Edgeworth box, NPV, deadweight loss, and the such.

Current Law Students / Re: Done finals, freaking out
« on: December 12, 2007, 02:53:38 PM »
Drink to block it out- I had nightmares the night after every final last year, and all it does is give you ulcers and bad sleep. Try to go for a run or hang out with non-law school friends. And know that the fear will go away after a couple weeks.

I had a rough time with my most recent (and first) examn, but I can't imagine being so stressed about the exam *afterwards* that I'd have ulcer and nightmares  ???.

Did the night before, though. Thank heavens for Ambien.  :-\

Current Law Students / Who has Midterms coming up?
« on: December 04, 2007, 08:21:36 AM »
I do, in about two weeks. Classes are in wind-down mode, work is dead (I'm at work right now), meaning I have ample opportunity to get some studying done.

I simply can't motivate myself to do it, though. I think I'm fried already. Any tips/advice? How are the rest of you with midterms holding up? What courses do you have midterms for?

Current Law Students / Re: law school depression
« on: November 14, 2007, 12:41:08 PM »

My main source of depression is the feeling of isolation I have, despite being surrounded by my peers. I've never felt so alone in my life!

I first thought I somehow ďhatedĒ my classmates because of some intangible quality they all possessed that I couldnít explain. But, now Iím beginning to realize that thereís nothing to hate about my classmates. Whether theyíre frat boys, jocks, sorority girls, teacherís pets etc., theyíve all proven to be very warm and considerate human beings, which surprised me considering all the stories about law students and lawyers.

However, thereís still a large degree of social tension because I realize that I have very little in common with most, if not all, of my classmates. Itís mainly due to class background; itís hard for a southern boy from a poor family who used to live in trailer parks and drink MD 20/20, to relate to people who grew up privileged beyond my wildest dreams, sons and daughters of scientists and senatorsÖI donít begrudge them their fortunes, I just find it immensely frustrating that I just cannot relate to them. Itís especially frustrating because I consider myself an extrovert and usually am quite sociable, but now I donít even feel like I speak the same language as my classmates (and I probably donít, seeing as how often I swear).

Itís also a phenomenon that extends to work, since I work full-time and go to LS part-time. My work colleagues are all young, bright, and confident in a way that growing up with money can make you. Weíre the same ages, but I donít get their jokes, I donít get their culture at all. So, I spend most of my days feeling like an uneducated boor.

I hope itíll change, but I doubt it will. Any other ďupwardly mobileĒ law students from austere backgrounds around? Maybe we can crack open a case of cheap beer and shoot little fuzzy animals instead of reviewing each otherís graduate theses.

Sorry, but I'd rather drunkenly pile into a truck and go "muddin'", and occasionally help my friends and family out of legal jams than discuss some piece of modern art or some convoluted and ultimately irrelevant legal theory like a "good" grad student.


Oddly enough, that actually makes me feel *better* to know that my classmates are merely masking their boredom and misery like I am. Although, I won't go so far as to say that the entire school experience is bad since I actually like some of the material.

Current Law Students / Re: At a breaking point, thinking of dropping out...
« on: November 13, 2007, 02:59:22 PM »
@dividebyzero: I'm almost certainly misunderstanding you, but why are you in law school if you really just wanted to take two courses? Is this like some kind of hard-core hobby? Why not just buy all the textbooks and study them on your own?

I'd like to practice in those areas, too.  ;D

Current Law Students / Re: At a breaking point, thinking of dropping out...
« on: November 13, 2007, 02:25:34 PM »
Sign me up on the ďhate trainĒ. Although, most of my problems with the law school experience arenít directly related to the study itself. I hate the city in which my schoolís located, and I hate most of the people in it, including a reactive distaste for most of my classmates who happen to be from around the area. I live further away than the majority of my classmates, so thereís no chance to really connect with anyone after classes.

The work is boring, most of the cases are boring, the lectures are monotonous and half the time I feel as if I have no earthly idea whatís going on anyway. Feeling like I'm barely able to keep my head above water while other classmates seem to handle it all with ease is especially distressing. I know I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I know I probably shouldn't be spending so much of my class time feeling like a complete idiot. I get the impression that itís *supposed* to be this way, but that kindaí illustrates how pointlessly sadistic the whole experience seems to be.

Iím in a part-time program, but I already have a career Iíve been doing for a while thatís going pretty well, so I find myself wondering if the stress and debt is really worthwhile. Donít get me wrong. There are certain legal subjects in which I have great interest. In fact, I wanted to go to LS specifically because Iím interested in National Security and Administrative Law, but those are only two courses I *might* be able to take three years from now, which makes it hard to justify three years of relentless stress and exorbitant debt. It feels like undergrad again, spending 2-3 years studying crap youíre not at all interested in just to get to your core topics.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L - Favorite and Least favorite Class?
« on: September 26, 2007, 02:52:26 PM »
It's funny that it already seems as if LRW is at worst universally reviled, and at best merely tolerated. Add me to those who revile LRW completely.

Personally, I think the lectures are a little too long and too frequent, during which time all we really do is cover items we'd already had to read about in the numerous books we had to buy for the class (four compared to one or two for every other class).

That, and my LRW prof is obsessed with using the school's web-based interactive portal, which is horribly designed and a female dog to navigate., As a part-time student with no internet access during the day, the thing is inaccessible until I actually get to school, by which time I have a scant couple of minutes to review the new assignments/posts before class starts  >:( >:( >:(.

Additionally, I find my Civ Pro instructor to be an intolerable rambler, who meanders so much during lectures that it's impossible to take organized notes.

However, I *love* Property. The prof is a f-ing God of Pedagogy. I also like Con Law because I'm familiar enough with it coming in that it doesn't confuse the utter *&^% out of me like Civ Pro manages to do (despite having read Glannon during the summer).

1. I've been gone from LSD for about 2 years, and...
2. I cannot f-ing believe this thread is still going...
3. Hi Julie!

That study is 8 years old according to HUD (Sept. 1999) done by the Urban institute, but I found no such Sept. 1999 study on Urban's website...5 minutes wasted my friend.

Done by the Urban Institute, sponsored and commissioned by HUD. The fact that it's nine years old isn't at all dispositive; it illustrates that there has been a history of economic discrimination against minorities (blacks and latinos in particular) as recently as nine years ago.

You have to be trolling, besides. I refuse to believe that a potential law student actually thinks that the history of race relations in the U.S. has been nothing but "Flowers and Sunshine" with parity for all since the Emancipation Proclamation. If so, you're in a for a rude awakening once (or should) you ever get into Property class.

Anyway, I felt that I should qualify my previous post about being a *former* Koreaphile. It's not to say that I hate Koreans now because of the experience, nor do I honestly believe that *all* Koreans hate black people (I know better from where I grew up), but I offered my experience to illustrate that relations between Blacks and Koreans probably aren't as good as they could be in a few places.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: GULC students... where you at?
« on: December 06, 2007, 10:06:30 AM »
I'm a GULC part-timer who lives off-campus (Maryland).

I have to agree with what's already been posted about class sizes. For the part time program , there are certain classes where the entire class is present (Civ Pro, Property) and other classes where they are broken up into smaller sections (Con Law, LRW). In the smaller sections especially, you have ample opportunity to meet and work with other students.

I despise the D.C. area. But, most of the reasons are unique to my own situation (lived here for six years and am sick of it, working full-time, family, etc) and the fact that I have to commute by car into the city, and therefore aren't often shared by others. I get the general impression that for single people who decide to live either on campus or off but in close proximity to the city (a lot of students live in Northern Virginia), that it's great.

Be advised though that should you decide to live off-campus and commute by car, that parking can be a problem for day students, and traffic is a major headache all around.

Can't speak much towards the social life, since I live far from campus and have little time to socialize. There are always get togethers, bar crawls, movie nights and such going on, though. HTH

All in all, the school itself is fantastic, and I have no complaints about it whatsoever.

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