Quoting Nola in italics:
Protective mechanism? Well if you are planning on only interacting with people of the black race, then fine, go ahead and paint yourself into a corner. If you want to enter the real world where people of all races interact, then you better get used to talking to white people. Like it or not, I think what you typed was both prejudiced and racist.
Okay, you said that what I typed was both predjudiced and racist. What definitions are you using? What makes you say that they are predjudiced and racist? It doesn't matter whether or not I like what you say. I'd like to know WHY you think that. Again, though, I never said I wasn't predjudiced. I never said I thought predjudices were bad. I think we all are!
And as far as painting myself into a corner, you might not have noticed that I was discussing undergrad mostly, and I talked about avoiding specific conversations.
I have noticed that your are imputing so much negative sentiment into what "white posters" have been typing. You might have run into some jerks who happen to be white, but this gives you no right to generalize this to the entire white race. Would it be acceptable for my friend, who nearly had his head bashed in, to decide to hate all blacks and refrain from conversing with them? I think not.
I see no reason he shouldn't refrain from conversing with Blacks. He can hate us too. Why not? By the way, I didn't say I hated whites at all. I just don't like wasting my time in a discussion when all that comes out of it is...well...nothing. You aren't trying to inform me or enlighten me, or show me a different point of view. You're just judging what I say. I read what the other site's people were saying, and they were exchanging ideas, explaining where they were coming from. I didn't mean to imply that I thought someone is bad or wrong for having biases and predjudices. If I did, I made a mistake. I think the system of racism is bad, though. Just as I think the system of sexism is bad. I think I and your friend have every right to generalize. Now, if he or I went out and started bashing the opposing race physically, or denying them jobs, etc., then that would be bad. But I really think we all have a right to our opinions and feelings.
And, if you noticed my age, I have definitely entered and been in the "real" world interacting with white people. I went to a major university. I never said I didn't interact with them. I said "on a regular basis." The context I was talking about was similar to this forum. That is, I didn't interact with them as far as discussions of this nature. And I'm glad. I'd have been one angry female dog, and stressed out! A few white people are even my friends. A few aren't. Same for Black people. Some are my friends, and some aren't. I have predjudices against Black people too! And people who eat veal. And people who don't.
Is this solving anything? No. Was it interesting if not provocative? I think yes. I will leave you with a few more books that you might consider reading. We can all benefit from learning about other viewpoints in this very heated topic eh? If you have any sociological books you think I should take a look at, feel free to list them. And Ladyday, if you are still reading this deep into this thread, that was quite an intelligent response to my question! Thankfully, others chose to actually think about it a bit.
Thanks for the book suggestions!
Here are a few questions, and I would really be interested in reading your responses.
1. Which definition of racism are you referring to here? And what in my statement do you think is racist orpredjudiced? Do you think it's wrong or bad or whatever to have biases and predjudices as thoughts/feelings, as long as you aren't out attacking people as a result?
Also, I think it's natural and acceptable to generalize. That's how a lot of people get through things more easily. The world is complex, so generalizations and categories make things simpler. Of course I recognize that we're all humans, but I also recognize the cultural differences, and I understand that many of us were taught biases (by the media, friends, and family). I realize that whites in general have a different experience in life than do Blacks or other races. And that women have different experiences than men. And that makes us different, and makes us react differently, and feel differently, and that's okay.
I have no problem with the original poster not dating hispanics. I generally don't date whites as a matter of choice. I haven't dated an asian, but that's just because the choice was never there. Would I date a white guy again? Maybe. Depends on who he is. But I know that in general I wouldn't, because our life experiences are just too different. I know there are exceptions.
2. Wouldn't you call it a waste if you thought my intent was just to be nasty, and you felt I hadn't read one thing about sociology? And would you want to keep doing that to yourself, especially if it just made you angry?
3. Please notice, also, that I'm not asking you to like or not like what I say. I just wanted to discuss. We can disagree, and that's fine too. I would like to know what makes you disagree, and I like telling why I disagree (or agree).
4. Do you really think most people aren't predjudiced or biased against other people?
1. Merriam Webster
racist::: racial prejudice or discrimination
prejudice::: preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
Do we have these? Sure. Are they reasonable to have when trying to hold a discussion? No. Remove bias, use facts, etc.
I suppose, but your thoughts were incorrect, remember?
I know we disagree, trust me! Don't you think that by me questioning your unwarranted assumptions, thus leading you to defend them, I am in fact exposing you to a different view (my own)? Hmm, if we can't agree on that then perhaps we should just quit now.
Yes. Is it logical for discussions? No. One must attempt to restrain prejudices while having discussions. Removal of ones bias is the key to impartiality. Sure we all have feelings about certain things. The key is to provide facts to back up ones statements. As I typed that last line, I realized since we arenít do that, this is just pointless. Just read the books I suggested please and wake yourself from (what I THINK is) your slumber.