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Current Law Students / Re: How many hours a day do you study?
« on: July 28, 2003, 07:59:49 AM »
I have no idea what law school JUST ME is attending, but in my classes, if a student tells me that he or she has not read the materials, that student will be called upon again on another date, and if I get the same answer, they will have their grade lowered in the class, or they will be "invited" to withdraw from the class (if this is permitted by the law school).  

I have taught at ten law schools over 27 years, as a visiting professor or tenured member of the faculty, and I can say that there are precious few professors, if they teach Socratically, who will accept non-preparation in class as acceptable (although excusable, of course, on a given occasion).  

For the teaching process to work well, students needs to live up to their responsibilities, as much as professors must live up to theirs.  Students who regularly come to class unprepared are essentially parasites---they want to feed off their colleagues' effort.  Too many parasites, and the class fails for the remaining students.

Finally, how do you expect a student with such poor study skills, and lack of discipline, to do as a lawyer?  The answer is obvious: far less well than if the same student used his or her skills more suitably.

Current Law Students / Re: Understanding Crim Pro 3d
« on: August 13, 2003, 06:15:29 AM »
Yeah, don't you wish.  Not only do I not have any spare copies to send anyone, but I can imagine the requests I might get if anyone learned I had sent one student a freebie.  Sorry.  (It is little consolation, but the royalties I get on a single copy is 9 cents or so, so I am not being cheap, just practical.)

Current Law Students / Re: Understanding Crim Pro 3d
« on: August 12, 2003, 12:15:00 PM »
Great choice of books.   ;)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: How "national" is Ohio State?
« on: March 31, 2008, 10:28:01 AM »
I am an OSU law professor, so: (1) I am biased; and (2) I have some useful information.

In regard to (2): OSU is NOT a regional law school if you are asking whether we are known and our graduated respected nationally. 

Beyond this, I personally know of my own students-now-graduates who are working in high quality law firms (and federal governmental positions) in NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

I agree with the comment that our graduates probably do better on the East Coast than the West Coast.

If you are risk-averse, yes, going to a law school close to where you work is a benefit, assuming that you graduate at a similar class rank as you would at OSU.

Other issues to consider: where will you get a better legal education (since that education will obviously benefit you for life, whereas your question relates only to your first job)?  Where will you feel most comfortable for the three years?

Those are questions you must answer for yourself.

I will not speak to the part-time versus full-time issue.  But: I am a law professor.  I once taught at Hamline.  Given the non-issues you have noted in your message, I would consider the fact that Hamline is very strong in ADR, the area you suggest interests you.  Although your views may change (many students come to law school with no subject matter interest, and many others who change their mind in law school), given your interest in ADR, Hamline would make the most sense.  Good luck.  And, one other piece of "wisdom": Wherever you go, don't look back.  That is, don't starting asking yourself if you made the right decision.  Go forward, don't ponder the imponderable.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Interview with Admissions?
« on: July 28, 2003, 07:47:44 AM »
It is often a good idea, although it depends in part on the law school Admissions Office.  Meeting with them can show your interest; but more importantly, many Admissions Offices will be happy to schedule a tour of the law school or set it up for you to sit in on first-year classes, etc.  Thus, you can learn more about the law schools that way. Check with the particular law schools thagt interest you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Ohio State
« on: August 18, 2003, 10:50:02 AM »
People interested in discussing Moritz College of Law (OSU), may contact me at  Obviously, I have a conflict of interest, but will be as candid as possible.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Dispute Resolution?
« on: August 27, 2003, 03:12:40 AM »
I cannot answer your question directly, only can say that the higher the tier, the most useful a degree is if you end up moving away from the area.  That is, a Pepperdine degree will count for more in LA than it will in SF, and all else equal, it will count more in California than in will outside the state.  

Other actors to consider: Many, I suspect most, students who come to law school intending to practice in one particular area of the law (disupute resolution, criminal law, corporate law, etc.) end up changing their mind by the end of their law school career (or find that economic conditions or other factors suggest a change in direction).  Therefore, choosing a law school exclusively on the basis of a particular school's strength in a particular field may end up being a bad basis for choice.  On the other hand, some people do not change their mind, so all else equal, between two law schools of roughly equal stature and other roughtly equal factors (cost, etc.), it makes sense to pick the one that seems stronger in the areas of your subject matter interest.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Dispute Resolution?
« on: August 19, 2003, 10:42:07 AM »
Dispute resolution is an increasingly important part of the practrice of law, although it is not yet (ever?) going to be dominant in the practice.  But, it is a great field.

Ohio State University has one of the nation's best dispute resolution programs (and publishes the Journal on Dispute Resolution).  The Dean, Nancy Rogers, is one of the foremost persons in the field, and Ohio State has a rich curriculum in the field, with four other active dispute resolution experts on the faculty.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Responses from schools.
« on: July 03, 2003, 07:14:12 AM »
My position is, as I hope I expressed in my earlier message, that a 2.8 in one major may be better than, say, a 3.4 in another major in the same college/university, just as a 3.0 in Major A at University 1 may be worth more, or less, than a 3.0 in the same major at University 2.  To truly judge the merits of a candidate and, more difficultly, to compare the merits of two candidates, one must look at many issues re GPA: (a) the era in which the GPA was earned [older GPAs usually involve lesser grade inflation]; (b) the difficulty of the major; (c) the difficulty of the overall course load taken by the student, even outside his or her major; and (d) the quality of the college or university.  

Some of the required data is made available to admissions offices at law schools---statistics that help them evaluate a GPA, but much of the process must be done without solid statistics.  Thus, the system is imperfect, but the effort is usually made.  It is, after all, in the interests of a law school to enroll the students it thinks will be the best students available to the institution, so law schools must -- and do -- look beyond sheer numbers (GPA, LSAT).  

So, in short, sometimes a student with a lower GPA should be considered of higher promise than one with a higher GPA.  

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