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Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: October 03, 2013, 08:51:27 PM »
All that sounds good but really means nothing .I think a MBA or PHD from University of Phoenix or AIU   well known on line schools, WOULD   BE MONEY BETTER SPENT..

You are only kidding, right??

Law School Admissions / Re: Admission Counseling Company
« on: October 02, 2013, 08:48:41 PM »
Mr. Genius,

Since you are so gifted and went to Yale, why are you selling people false hope?  Perhaps becoming a lawyer was too beneath you?  Just curious

Law School Admissions / Re: Prestige of UG
« on: October 02, 2013, 08:45:44 PM »
It is a numbers game - just like a lottery. Some schools will not read your application.  There are two people who look at your file initially.  One is the person who screens the LSAC reports which are sent in.  The other person has a "profile" sheet corresponding available seats to candidates the school "wants".  They know how many people will likely apply and how many they want. Out of the number they want (say, 240), they know that a percentage will not accept the admission and matriculate.  Every week, they pre-screen and pre-select the seats they have to fill (special needs, military, foreign students, minorities, disabled, public interest scholarships, etc.) from the "profile list".  They always leave a few seats empty until the very end (well past the deadline) in case some genious who is too dumb to apply to a better school sends in an app with glowing recommendations and 179 LSAT!; or, some legacy candidate (or someone who knows someone) just can't seem to get in their first choice of school.

The best index* scores (some function of the SAT and GPA "majic" formula) are matched against this list.

Should you get lucky and your LSAC file comes in when there is a vacancy on the list, then you are chosen.  It is only then that your application and supporting documents will be put aside to review later.  That is why it is a numbers game with some degree of luck involved. If by chance you are denied, then you are DENIED.  The file goes away.  This explains why some people who wait until the last minute with mediocre grades, low LSATS, and criminal records, get reviewed - some even GET IN!..while other seemingly more astute do not. 

* Some schools publish their index, some do not, adding more mystique to this unscientific approach.

It is therefore imperative that you consistently apply to as many schools which may match your "numbers" as possible.  If your file gets read, then you stand a better chance of getting in.  Two people are not going to read 3,000 applications!  When those two people have seen 300, then the committee picks from those. Then to really make it interesting, some schools have "rolling" admission.  ROFL!  WTF? -the unmitigated audacity to let you know in advance you are getting it!

That is the grand science, in a nutshell, of modern law school admittance.  Best of luck, on your TIMING:)

As far as prestige goes, get prestige to pay the tuition.  It is a farce. T14, T34, whats next? T155?  Get a degree where you can get in #1
#2- Get it paid for
#3 - Pass the Bar - all that learnin' don't do no good without a license! Unless you want to deny SSI applicants all day for a living
#4-Refer to #3
#5-Refer to #4

As far as LSAT and GPA scores go, get as high as you can get and live with it.  Do not be ashamed to apply to a "top" school with mediocre credentials.  Explain why you did so in your personal statement. Someone may actually read it:)

The rest is all a bunch of hooey.

Law School Admissions / Re: 2.3 GPA, strong work history, 160 LSAT
« on: October 02, 2013, 08:00:03 PM »

I'm new to this, but here goes. I graduated undergrad in 2010, three years behind scheduled because I spent 2 years in Afghanistan in combat. While in undergrad I had a second child and my relationship with his mother didn't go so well. It took a heavy toll on me and I was working full time while going to school full time. I know I know. Other people have worked full time and done great in school, but it didn't work for me.

At any rate... what are my chances of getting into law school with a 2.3 undergrad GPA, 160 LSAT score, and what I hope will be a stellar application packet with great letters of recommendations?

I'm hoping to apply to NCCU Law and Howard Law school.


I just noticed your post.  I went through an opposite process (low LSAT/Great GPA).  The higher the GPA the better. If it is at all possible (before you send your transcripts to LSAC)  you may want to see if there any electives you can take with your degree-granting institution to raise that GPA.  Some will allow this. Some will not.  But be sure that if you are allowed to add credits, that BOTH your degree GPA and Cumulative GPA increased.  Unfortunately, this will be decided by LSAC when the report is compiled to send to law schools.  Once those reports are generated, you cannot change them. 
The good news is that with a 160 score, you WILL get looked at. The bad news is that students with less than 3.2 GPA often cannot get in, at least without a good reason (not excuses), and showing a progression of achievement since that time.

You may want to consider a paralegal program. DUKE has a great one, and they offer it at the Charlotte and Durham campuses.  For a few thousand dollars,as opposed to tens of thousands, you can become acquainted with legal research and writing, and the "basics" of law study.  Performing well in a program like that will demonstrate to any committee looking past the GPA that you may be well-suited.  Most of your first year will be the "grunt work"- basic research and writing no matter where you attend.

Should you not perform well as a paralegal, then you may discover the law field is NOT for you - not to say that all lawyers have not, at least at one time or another, struggled with the mundane tasks you will be forced to face in either paralegal school or law school. Having the CP designation would dress up your resume, no doubt.  That along with a great score of 160, may serve you well in your application(s). 

Besides, paralegals make good money and serve needed functions in the legal industry, WITHOUT Massive costs and debt associated with a law degree. I believe UNC has a program too.

Because NCCU is 1 of 3 least expensive law schools, and has an earned some recent accolades, the competition to get in there may be as high if not higher than other schools.  NCCU does, however, offer a summer program which is a "preview" of law school and you actually get credit towards the degree.  You have to apply for that well in advance.

Charlotte Law School is on the radar since they now have ABA approval.  But given the Job market in the area, I am not sure that's a good choice - except that you may get a scholarship for your score. Be mindful, though, those scholarships are easily lost since they usually come with a GPA requirement of "B" average while attending.  "C" is a good average in law school!!

Why Howard? Did you want to go to DC?  Try UDC and all the other schools in that area.  Your military experience will open a lot of doors and maybe even divert attention from the low GPA.  (true anywhere, but especially DC). You also a host of full and part-time master's programs in VA and MD, as well as post-military positions, grants, etc.  Georgetown has an expensive, but very prestigious Paralegal certificate as well. Hope this all helps, best of luck.

Online Law Schools / Re: St. Francis Law
« on: October 02, 2013, 05:49:54 PM »
Thanks for all the replies. PLEASE IGNORE POLL.  This site did not come with directions, lol.  I am not from CA and never heard of any of these schools.  Instead of Southern California, I  meant CAL Southern. It is registered both as correspondence and as a stand-alone school with the CA Bar.  They seem to have a reasonable pass rate and is DETC (that and $.50, call someone who cares)

St. Francis is off the list.  They will not answer telephone. However, they seem to have a nice presentation, price, and bar pass rate.

Northwestern seems to be most reputable in the region with a list of alumni, who are actually ATTORNEYS, and NOT FRY COOKS. (or in jail).  I spoke with a couple today.  There are several states (DC included) which have allowed their graduates admission to the bar.

Taft seems to be fully accredited with everyone EXCEPT ABA and cannot answer even dumb questions.  But they do get TITLE IV funds - and people wander what is wrong with the system. . . .

Oak Brook has an impressive pass rate.  The curriculum seems good too. Only problem is that they are religious.  2 men have always had their hands in my pocket:  UNCLE SAM, and the PREACHER MAN!

Concord is  the only school which has both accreditation with CA Bar and is regionally certified with US Dept of Ed.  Its policies mirror the ABA standards.  There are some states which will allow their graduates admission without a 5 year wait (Georgia) so long as a dean of an ABA certified law school will certify that he/she thinks the distance education was adherent to the ABA model (except of course for the physical plant requirements).

These are the fruits of the limited research I have done for myself. I hope anyone who has questions can use this.  I went to an ABA law school and hated it-thus, I have not finished a JD.  I primarily want to practice tax law and work mostly in  the Federal System.  I live in Georgia but may move. I have health issues and neither want the full time obligation of a traditional school nor the expense.

I have met most of the requirements of the DC Bar.  There are 26 hours of ABA approved law school in any of the 9 tested subject areas (If JD is awarded online) in addition to a J.D. awarded by any college or university (here, I am assuming "college or university" means it must be recognized. So Mid-A somebody in NC might not cut the mustard).  I would then take the DC Bar. Then I have to face whether or not the state in which the federal court "sits" will recognize the license, or if I have to jump through more hoops.

Georgia is a different animal.  There is a waiver process and no one will disclose the outcomes.  Only when bar admission is denied and there is appeal made to the Supreme Court is there a record.  There have not been many appeals lately. 
The case I can find outside of Westlaw is the BATTERSON case.  Her case could possibly have been won, had she found  a dean of a law school sign her evaluation of the law school (Northwestern CAL) for Georgia.  Most other denials are based on faulty evidence, failure-to-disclose issues,  or overall character and fitness objections, not the quality of the online education itself. I do not know if that is good news, or rather a convenient excuse to deny entry for the non ABA student.

I  have come to the conclusion that it is far more taxing to avoid the ABA oligopoly than to just give in and follow the path of least resistance - go ABA (for those of us who can)!

Online Law Schools / St. Francis Law
« on: September 25, 2013, 03:04:07 AM »
I just wanted to know any opinions and/or experiences with either Southern California or St. Francis Law Schools?

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