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L.L.M. Board / Re: Applying to an LLM with a Misdemeanor
« on: September 20, 2014, 07:48:55 PM »
True law schools have a lot of regulations for J.D.'s, but almost none for LLM's so if your goal is to get a LLM you could probably have a felony, but if you are using the LLM to get into a state bar those regulations will not matter.

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Law School Applications / Re: W's on transcript
« on: September 18, 2014, 08:36:11 PM »
Miami is right on point.

I had three W's nobody really cared.

Believe it or not admissions committees do not look at every detail of an application. They are human beings and when a few people have to review between 3,000 and 10,000 applications in a few month period they don't review the transcript, personal statement etc in great detail.

For the most part you will either you go in the reject or accept pile based on your numbers, and a 3.7 GPA and 168 LSAT are pretty solid.

If you are really on the fence they might actually read your personal statement and decide to accept or reject you based on that. If after the personal statement your still on the fence they may actually read your letter's of recommendation and make a decision based on that. If your still on the fence they might review your major and the difficult of courses you took to obtain a 3.7 GPA. If your still on the fence after that they might look for W's and an upward or downward trend.

So basically what I am trying to say is more likely than not no admissions officer will even notice the W's.


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Good post by Robert and many undergraduate universities have a pre-law advisor so you may want to see if your undergrad has one and see if they can put you in touch with someone studying for the LSAT. Or contact local universities i.e. Santa Clara, San Jose State, University of San Francisco, San Francisco State, Cal State Monterey etc and see if they have pre-law advisors.

The Dean of Monterey College of Law is also a frequent poster on this site and may be aware of LSAT study groups in the Bay Area.

Good luck with the LSAT.

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General Board / Re: Applying to an LLM with a Misdemeanor
« on: September 18, 2014, 11:06:49 AM »
Probably not as long as you disclose what happened.

Plenty of people make mistakes I had friends in law school that had DUI's and one guy had a misdemeanor battery charge before law school. They were up front and honest about it, and had nothing to worry about.

If you don't disclose and they find out you lied about it then you will have a problem, but I think if you are honest it should be fine. It won't help obviously, but I expect it would have minimal impact.

However, the best source of information is the admissions offices they are the ones making the decision. Columbia may have a policy that they do not allow anyone with misdemeanors and if that is the case don't apply there.

You should also check with the State Bar you are interested in taking if any. The New York State Bar may have different rules for criminal charges than the California Bar etc, but go directly to the sources anyone here is nothing more than anonymous internet poster, but there are people that are literally paid to make polices for this kind of thing and they are the best point of contact.

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.


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Join the club of law school applicants that partied to much and didn't take undergrad to seriously. You did not list your GPA so I don't know what your GPA was, but I imagine like 95% of undergrad students you don't have a 4.0.

If you have a 3.0 or above you can get into a number of law schools.

Your post seems to indicate you will only accept a T14 school, but I don't know how many incoming law students erroneously think this matters or is commonplace. If you can get into Harvard go for it, but 99% of practicing lawyers did not go to Harvard or Yale. Additionally, going to Harvard or Yale does not mean you will succeed in teh legal profession. One of my really good friends went to Yale Law School, but he hated being a lawyer and is now a salesman. He completely regrets having ever gone to law school, because it wasn't for him. Many of law school classmates are obviously doing quite well, but the point is going to X school does not mean success.

If you get a 170 on the LSAT awesome more power to you, but again there is 95% chance you will not score a 170 on the LSAT nothing against you, but odds are you not going to score in the top 5% of test takers.

Conclusion:
Take the LSAT see what you get and assess your options. Don't go to the PeaceCorps or any of the other numerous things for the purpose of getting into a "better" law school. Just take the LSAT and see where you stand and decide whether to attend law school or not.

Also remember that the T14 schools are based on U.S. News, which is nothing more than a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion and the "T14" schools changed every year. There are certain schools Harvard, Yale, Stanford, that people know across the country, but Notre Dame is a great school in the Midwest, Texas is the best school for Texas, Nebraska is best for Nebraska, on and on location matters far more than what U.S. News says.

Here is an excellent article explaining the things to consider when choosing a law school. http://www.legalmatch.com/choose-the-right-law-school.html

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Considering Law School
« on: September 11, 2014, 05:09:44 PM »
If you want to end up in Chicago go to law school in Chicago.

University of Chicago is obviously the best, but that is tough. Then Northwestern or Notre Dame will open more doors in Chicago than Stanford would, even though Stanford is number 3.

I cannot emphasize enough the importance of location over the rankings. The rankings change drastically year by year and in the Bay Area you will find Stanford/Boalt grads they are connected in the Bay Area. You can find Stanford alum in Chicago, but University of Chicago or Northwestern grads will predominate in Chicago.

Realize wherever you attend law school will be three years of the prime of your life, and will likely where you end up residing long term. Also campuses are different Notre Dame is a college town and if you love Football, Frat, Parties, etc then Notre Dame is great, but if you hate small college towns don't move to South Bend.

Really consider location when you choose your law school I cannot emphasize it enough.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Considering Law School
« on: September 09, 2014, 07:59:13 PM »
Awesome 171 is an amazing score.

As to your question with a 3.0/171 you are a major splitter and it is hard to predict if you would get into a T14 school. I encourage you to use lawschoolnumbers.com to see your chances.

With that said do not get to caught up in rankings remember these change year by year. Consider location, cost, personal feelings about the school etc.

From your orignal post it sounds like you want to be in the corporate or start-up world. To do that you really want to be in New York, Bay Area, L.A, and maybe Chicago.

Applying that logic to the rankings although University of Texas is a Top 15 school right now, if you wanted to be in L.A. attending U.S.C, which is ranked 23 this year would be far better to attend if you want to work in L.A. If you want to be in New York although Fordham is ranked 36th that will open more doors in New York than Texas, which is ranked 15.

Here is a list of the top 100 law schools and you can see how drastically school ranks change year by year. Remember U.S. News is a magazine offering an opinion nothing more nothing less, use common sense when choosing a law school and don't attend University of Virginia if you want to live in work in L.A.

Again, congrats on the great LSAT score.


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Roger Williams / Re: Anyone recently attended?
« on: September 09, 2014, 11:30:20 AM »
Roger Williams should certainly open doors for the career you want then.

If you said you wanted to make partner at Cravath by 30 then it would not, but that is why you should take anonymous internet posts with a grain of salt everybody wants much different things.

I personally have no desire to do family/juvenile law, but many people are passionate about it. If this was the path you wanted to pursue then going to Harvard wouldn't even make sense.

One of the most important lessons to learn in the legal profession is to not over complicate things, and selecting a law school is one of the first lessons in that.

It sounds like you want to be a lawyer in Rhode Island. 

There is no better way to accomplish that goal than attending law school in Rhode Island.

Don't start looking at magazine, internet posts, random statistics, etc if you like the school and want to be in Rhode Island it should work out.

Good luck as you pursue a legal career.

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Roger Williams / Re: Anyone recently attended?
« on: September 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM »
First and foremost do not let anonymous internet posters, which include those writing on this board or others myself included to make the life altering commitment of where to attend law school. There is no qualification to write on this board and it is not uncommon for individuals who have 0 experience with law school or the legal profession to loudly announce their opinions anonymously on internet forums such as this. The same applies to my post for all you know I am a crackhead in a public library writing this post.

With that said I believe any incoming law student should consider the following factors in this order when choosing a law school. (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings about the school; (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; (5) Last and not least U.S. News Ranking. Here is an article analyzing these factors in detail http://www.legalmatch.com/choose-the-right-law-school.html.  below I will analyze them to your situation.

Location:
This is the most important consideration when choosing a law school particularly in a state with one law school, such as Rhode Island. I have never been to Rhode Island, but I am sure most judges, lawyers, etc in Rhode Island went to Roger Williams. The law school will have connection in Rhode Island and they will teach for the Rhode Island Bar.

If you want to live in Rhode Island after graduation then go to Roger Williams. Also realize that law school does not exist in a vacuum and the culture, neighborhood, and connections you have or do not have nearby Rhode Island will make a difference in your life. You will in Rhode Island for three years if you attend Roger Williams, I have never met you and know nothing about you maybe Rhode Island is where you want to be if so attend Roger Williams, maybe you despite the State and if that is the case don't go.


Cost.

Roger Williams Tuition is $40,000 per year and offers on campus living for 21k per year. So you are looking at 61k per year, which is not outrageous as far as law school goes, but without a scholarship you will be $183,000 in debt at graduation. You can make this up as the legal profession can be very rewarding financially if you last the first few years. 

I would encourage you to ask about scholarship options, you have nothing to lose by asking.

Personal Feelings about the School:
How you personally feel about the school is a huge consideration, and it sounds like you did the right thing and visited the school already. During the visit you had a positive experience, which is something to consider. When I was a 0L I visited many schools and some I hated while others I loved. If you liked your experience visiting Roger Williams that is something to consider.

Reality of Legal Education:
At any ABA law school you will learn the exact same thing with a few state law exceptions, but during your first year you will have the following classes whether you attend Harvard or Roger Williams  (1) Torts; (2) Contracts; (3) Property; (4) Civil Procedure; (5) Crim Law/Crim Pro/or Con Law schools typically offer one of these three first year and require you to take the other two during 2L. In those courses you will read Supreme Court Cases and the Supreme Court does not write separate opinions for different law schools, more importantly the law is the law no matter what law school you attend. For example in Civil Procedure you will read Pennoyver v. Neff to learn about Notice, Contracts Hadley v. Baxendale to learn contract remedies; and Torts Palsgraff to learn proximate cause.

At the end of your three years at the ABA law school you attend you will then have to take the bar exam. While facing the stress of the bar exam you will either sign up with Barbri or Kaplan and take a bar review class. At the end of three years and the bar exam course you will be packed into a room with hundreds of other law students from law schools across the country to take the state bar exam. If you pass your a lawyer if you don't your not and it does not matter what law school you attended.

U.S. News Ranking:
Realize that U.S. News is nothing more than a for-profit and unregulated magazine offering an opinion. They rank more than law schools and have determined Albuquerque, New Mexico is the best place to live. http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live

Will you be attend New Mexico Law School for a chance to live in the #1 City? Probably not, making New Mexico is cooler than I thought it was, but I will not make the life altering decision of choosing to move there, because U.S. News said it was #1. Use the same logic when choosing a law school and remember it is a magazine.

Conclusion:
If you want to be a lawyer in Rhode Island then there is probably no better place to attend law school than Roger Williams. If your goal is to end up in Oregon then do not attend Roger Williams. Be mindful of costs during law school and be sure the legal profession is something you want to get into.

I have never met you and know nothing about you so I could possibly tell you what the right answer is, but I encourage you to analyze the factors above to your own life and make a decision. I would also encourage to stop listening to anonymous internet posters I realize it is the easiest way to access information, but it is the most unreliable. You should reach out to alumni from Roger Williams and talk to them about their experience. If you talk to people in person you can really gauge their credibility.

Good luck whatever you decide.







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Socratic Method / Re: Accidentally Slurred in Class
« on: August 25, 2014, 10:37:50 AM »
I had professors cuss in class a little strange the professor took it up to the Dean. Perhaps it was a student that said something, which is why the Dean is involved, but odds are once he/she hears all you said was bulls**t in class they will say it is unprofessional to use profanity in class you need to use your words carefully as a lawyer, etc .

In the real world people cuss all the time it is not good, but it happens.

I am sure you will be fine bulls**t is not even that bad of word, basically you should be fine if you just apologize and say it won't happen again.

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