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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UMass going anywhere?
« on: July 28, 2016, 03:34:21 PM »
Maybe, but I would not focus to much on rankings honestly.  I think one of the biggest issues out there for incoming law students is looking at rankings and reading all these books etc written by Harvard Grads etc. 

It is similar to a decent high school player getting advise from Lebron James or Shaquille O'Neal on how to get a scholarship.  Lebron James and Shaq are freaks of nature that had people begging them to go, and if you have a 178 LSAT and 3.9 from Yale yea you are going to have a different legal career than someone with a 3.2 from Whatever State and 157 LSAT.

To further make the analogy let's presuem there is 6'7 pretty good high school player, he gets a scholarship to a small division 1 school, plays professionally in Europe for a few years then gets a head college coaching job. That is pretty good, but there is no debate that Lebron or Shaq are infinetly more successful than the 6'7 guy that never made the NBA, let alone the NBA hall of fame, but most people would be pretty happy with that outcome.

No lets relate it to law school, the guy with a 3.2 and 157 LSAT gets into University of San Francisco Law School, finishes in the top third of his class, passes the bar and gets a job making $80,000 out of law school and eventually works in small firms the rest of his life, maybe ends up retiring working for a City Attorney's Office.  That is not terrible result, but the guy that graduates Valedictorian from Harvard, gets a Federal Clerkship, works in Biglaw, then it appointed to the Federal Bench, had a better career than person 1.

However, not everyone is Lebron James, Shaq, or capable of getting a 179 LSAT, but everyone listens to those people even though their advice to the average guy is terrible.

If you are looking at UMass and other schools of that caliber congrats, getting into any ABA school is a big accomplishment, but you are not at Harvard, Yale, etc.  Therefore, don't consider the rankings, which nobody cares about outside of the "Top" schools i.e. Harvard, Yale, etc. 

Nobody cares about the difference between UMass and NorthEastern for example. It is highly unlikely a employer will  say oh I see NorthEastern is ranked 98th and UMass is ranked 108th, we simply must pick the student from the higher ranked school.  Nobody ever cares about the difference between the 98th and 108th best anything.

Therefore, when it comes to selecting a school use common sense and figure out where you want to live, how much money it is going to cost, and how you feel about the school.  If all else fails then use the rankings as a tie breaker, but remember U.S. News is a for profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion. If you want to make life altering decisions based on what U.S. News says then you should move to Albuquerque, New Mexico, because U.S. News ranked it the #1 place to live.  .  I imagine you are not going to move to New Mexico, because U.S. News ranked it #1.

Therefore, do not make a life altering $100,000 + decision based on a magazine either.

Here is a great article on how to choose a law school.

Good luck to you and congrats on your admission, despite all the b.s. you read on the internet the law can be a great career.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: NYU Sticker v Duke$
« on: June 02, 2016, 03:30:17 PM »
If your sole goal really is to go into JAG then accumulate as little debt as possible.  However, I think very few people stick with the original law school plan, so be wary of that.

Then assuming everything else is the same any law student should consider location, cost, personal feelings about the school and last at least U.S. News Rankings.

Obviously New York and North Carolina are two very different places, additionally NYU and Duke are two very different schools.  If your in to college basketball and living in a College town for three years Duke will be awesome! 

If your into going to Broadway plays, shows, Central Park, etc NYU will be awesome. 

I personally would like the Duke experience, but I love basketball you may hate it.  Therefore, always remember that choosing a law school is a highly personal choice, and random people on the internet should not be the basis of a life altering decision.

Your clearly very intelligent to have been admitted into both schools so do not overthink it to much.

If I was you, which I am not I would choose the cheaper cost of living, scholarship, and less stressful environment of North Carolina, particularly if you really are planning on going into JAG, because they will assign you a location so your connections in law school will not matter that much.

This is also a good article on how to choose a law school. 

Good luck on this decision and congrats on your acceptances!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: NYLS vs CUNY Law
« on: May 15, 2016, 11:26:09 PM »
I am anonymous internet poster so take my advice along with a grain of salt.

With that said don't leave common sense at the door and  the cheapest option, which should be CUNY.  Any ABA school will teach you the same thing.  CUNY, NYLS, and Cardozo are fine schools, but don't thousands more for any of those three if you were talking Columbia v CUNY the money is worth it, but NYLS is not Columbia. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Pitt vs. Duquesne
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:41:31 PM »
They are both in Pittsburgh and from my understanding equally good schools.

I guess one thing to really look at are the stipulations of the scholarship. If it is something like you must maintaina  3.0, be a little careful. Most incoming law students think they will get a 3.0 no problem, but when you go to law school everyone will be very smart, hardworking and motivated. This is relevant, because typically the law school curve only allows about 1/3 of the class to get a 3.0, which means if there is a 3.0 requirement there is a 66.6% chance you will not keep your scholarship for year two and three. This is nothing personal, but just the reality on the first day of class 100% of law students are sure they will be in the top 10% and there is no way they will not in at least the top third, but you do not have to be a math major to see how that plays out.

So one thing to do is review the stipulations of the scholarship.

Also, the culture of the school is important if you really liked Duquesne undergrad and did well there, why move? If you are eager to go to a bigger school then UPitt offers that. The actual legal education will be the same you will take Torts, Criminla Law, Civil Procedure etc at either school and typically when ABA schools are in the same city the same professor teaches at both schools. So I assume at either school you will have the same professor and read from the same textbook.

In summary there is no "right" choice, both schools will provide you with an opportunity to succeed. However, at the end of the day you will have to choose one and you will always wander what would happen if you choose differently, and you will simply never know, but it will likely end up fine.

If you want a little more reading material here is a great article on how to choose a law school.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: University of La Verne
« on: March 15, 2016, 01:13:57 PM »
Good for it, I know a lot of really smart and good attorneys from La Verne.

I also think its placement in the Inland Empire, gives it a pretty big advantage, because very few people want to move there. However, if you went to school in the area employment options are probably not bad.

Just like Cal-Northern a CBA accreddited school does well in Chico and San Joaquian Valley College of Law does great in San Joaquin Valley.

If La Verne was in Downtown L.A and competing with UCLA, USC, LMU, Southwestern, Pepperdine etc then it would be tough, but even Western State and Chapman do fine in Orange County and La Verne has its little niche as well.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: KU v. Washburn
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:51:47 PM »
Loki provides great advice and as I am sure he will agree nobody cares about what U.S. News Rankings thinks as it relates to the difference between Kansas and Washington. Remember that U.S. News is an unregulated for profit magazine offering it's subjective opinion. U.S. News is not doing anything wrong, by offering an opinion, but it doesn't mean you have to take it seriously.

There are polls and opinions that support Trump to be a good President, but that doesn't make it true for me.   Furthermore, as evidenced by the attached link the rankings change drastically year by year. In 2009 Kansas was in a multiple way tie for 65th. So if anyone enrolled in 2009 based on its' 2009 ranking, they would have been pretty disappointed when they graduated in 2012 and Kansas in a multiple way tie for 89th.

The same student that thought he was enrolling in the 69th best school in 2009, graduated from the 89th best school in 2012. However, do you think anyone cares about the difference between 65th and 89th? Not really.

With all that here is a pretty good article that might help you make your decision.

It is just to say that someone who attends Harvard can be disciplined the same as someone that attends a non-aba school. From my interaction with law students stuck in the bubble they think that if you attend a "top tier" school problems don't happen, but in the real world sh*t happens.

The real point is to simply use common sense etc, because I know many law students get wrapped up in the rankings and fail to do so. That is all.


Boalt's Law School Dean had to resign for "alleged" sexual misconduct his B.A. from Oxford and J.D. from Harvard does not guarantee anything and this could all be a false accusation from a  disgruntled employee or real, but this is just an example to those in the law school bubble who have all these feelings about rankings, etc that once your in the real world, real sh*t happens and success is based far more on "you" than your school.

Law School Admissions / Re: Teacher-Lawyer
« on: March 10, 2016, 02:21:37 PM »
Not to throw a rain your parade, but you can do a lot of hard-work as a lawyer to and there is no shortage of people that will criticize you. In fact, the criticism may be far worse than you experience as a teacher and people you are trying to help may not always like what you are doing. Particularly, when you send them a bill for your services.

This is not designed to discourage you from pursuing the law, I enjoy being a lawyer, but you need a thick skin for this profession as well. If the sole reason you are going to law school is to "help people" that you might want to reconsider, because any profession where you "help people" is going to require you to encounter people that don't want the help. The pricetag for law school is a lot more than a B.A.

With that you can certainly become a lawyer and succeed, but have realistic expectations.

More importantly, step 1 is to take the LSAT if you hate studying for that you will hate law school. Furthermore, if you don't do well enough on the LSAT to get into law school, then you may also want to consider, but just take the test it is costs $100 and a Saturday afternoon, which is a pretty small price to pay to determine if switching careers is an option.

As to schools there are three ABA shools in San Diego USD, Thomas Jefferson and Cal-Western and only one in Phoenix, University of Phoenix this is "not" the online University of Phoenix school.

There are also several schools in L.A. worth looking into, but again before even thinking about any of that take the LSAT and really also figure out what you expect from being a lawyer. You will not be adorned with admiration and feel a sense of helping people every day as an attorney either. Being a lawyer is a job with its pros and cons just like teaching, it is not the golden ticket to ultimate professional happiness.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Law School Offers
« on: March 09, 2016, 09:41:23 AM »
That means your accepted congrats. A lot of schools simply do it through email now.

If they have you a scholarship then that is gravy, but check the conditions on it and try to negotiate better terms.

Congrats on your acceptance!

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