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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Super Lawyer Rankings
« on: September 28, 2010, 02:42:00 PM »
IU-Indy's relatively strong showing is a perfect example of the flaw (or strength, depending on your perception) of this ranking.  IU-Indy graduates a high number and places almost exclusively in Indianapolis big and/or locally prestigious firms.  As a consequence, their most successful graduates tend to be the highest profile lawyers in the state's only significant legal market.  IU-Bloomington grads, for example, can tend to disperse to larger legal markets where they have less chance to stand out and become "super lawyers".  In a way, this ranking can be read to expose how relatively well lower T1 and T2 law schools produce successful lawyers in their regional markets.  So in that sense, it is valuable in a way other rankings are not. 

I agree with some of the earlier posts.  I think it's highly regional.  Almost any non-lawyer, anywhere in the country, is going to have a high initial perception of a HYS grad.  After that, there probably aren't many who know the difference between, say, Virginia and IU, or Michigan and Florida.  I'm sure there are a lot of non-lawyers who would probably assume that schools with a high academic profile generally (Notre Dame, Duke, NYU, Berkeley), also have respected law schools.  You probably wouldn't have a great deal of recognition for otherwise great LS like WashSTL or W&M aside from non-lawyers in those regions.

Another interesting point if you are considering "laypersons" to be non-college graduates:  If you are outside of biglaw (especially in flyover country) and the client base is blue collar small business, you'll likely find that even HYS would be trumped by the state school, or if more than one, the more highly respected state school.  Sure, it's a stereotype, but people in these areas honestly do look at people coming from those schools with a little bit of suspicion AND there is a very noticeable "ours is as good as yours" type of mentality.  Whether or not this overrides their self-interest in hiring the attorney/firm with the best law school credentials would be a good question - but my guess is that it happens more often than not.  But I suppose that goes less to perception and more to personal client preferences - so it doesn't really address the OP topic.  But it's worth thinking about, I suppose.

Interesting topic, OP.   

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Can Prosocuters have felonies?
« on: September 12, 2010, 04:16:18 PM »
That person may have to be willing to move - likely to a small county somewhere - but there is possibly some prosecutor out there who would find that those background circumstances carry a unique perspective.  You have to keep in mind, however, that in most states (if not all), prosecutors are elected.  There is a political disincentive in keeping an ex felon on staff.  So it's a good question.  Certainly worth trying if that is a passion.


WOW.  SUNY on SUNY crime.  Maybe the single most awesome post on LSD.  Peter, you stay classy.  You're going to be a big hit in LS. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: IU-Indy vs. Penn State HELP!
« on: September 19, 2009, 09:18:11 AM »
Is the Penn State LS not located at Dickinson anymore?  Is it on the main PSU campus?  I visited 2 years ago and it appeared to be "undergoing renovation" on the Dickinson campus.  The Dickinson campus (and town) is pretty cool if you're looking at the whole eastern small town sort of thing.

I ended up attending IU-Indy.  I would say your biggest concern between the two schools is social.  Do you want a major college campus lifestyle (if it did move to the main PSU campus) or an urban professional lifestyle?  I think the "quality" of the two schools and how they place in their respective regions is pretty similar, so lifestyle would probably be your biggest factor.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: PREPPING FOR 1L -- HELP
« on: April 22, 2009, 02:20:30 PM »
I actually did the LEEWS self study program last summer.  I obviously couldn't grasp the substantive value of LEEWS at that time, but by the end of September, what I had gathered from LEEWS started to make sense in a way that made it valuable to me and the deficiencies I was smart enough to recognize I had. 

You mentioned having some study skills problems - LEEWS or something similar that focuses on exam prep should be beneficial.  I know how crazy it must sound to be "prepping" for 1st semester exams in July, but it will begin to focus your thinking where it should be - especially if you have self admitted study issues.  Also of use is the section of "law school confidential" where the author talks about his daily schedule, his briefing strategies, note taking strategies, and his outlining strategies.  (LOL - But note that while I did notice half of my section using the "highlighter briefing" method and used it myself in August and September, by February you'd be lucky to find anyone within a mile of a highlighter.) 

Granted, you're probably smart enough to figure most of these things out by October or so on your own, but it doesn't hurt to go in with some kind of strategy in mind.  Just remember the basics - learn your black letter law inside and out, because your analysis and issue spotting will flow more freely and effortlessly if you do. Focus on the "big picture" in heavy black letter courses like civ pro and crim pro.  And most importantly of all, start doing hypos as soon as you feel comfortable.       

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wake Forest vs. Indiana-Bloomington
« on: January 27, 2009, 06:14:39 PM »

I didn't mean to imply anything - I'm a 32yo 1L myself.  I'm sure you'll thoroughly enjoy IU-B.

Current Law Students / Re: 2.0 - Should I drop out?
« on: January 27, 2009, 02:03:24 AM »
inspectionstare is making friends with the law school kids

OP sounds like he flat-out doesn't even enjoy law school.  2.0 and don't enjoy it?  Drop out.  2.0 and enjoy it and know you'll enjoy life as a lawyer?  Yeah, it's possible to rebound a to a certain degree.  Go for it.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wake Forest vs. Indiana-Bloomington
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:42:46 AM »
Bloomington is the quintessential college town - think a slightly smaller version of U. Michigan.  If you're a traditional student in your early twenties, you probably couldn't find a better place to spend the next few years.

One of my old UG friends went to WFL but I've never been there.  He's struggled in the job market (despite top 10%), but don't read too much into that.  He has some personality 'issues'.

And IU-B won't restrict you to practicing in Indiana - despite what some websites and blogs may say. If you do well you'll be competitive in most big markets - especially Chicago, and from what I hear, D.C.  Indy and FW firms tend to drift more towards IU-Indy grads who pretty much are restricted to Indiana.  That way they don't have to compete with the bigger salaries in the bigger markets for IU-B grads.

Current Law Students / Re: Having a pet while in law school - a problem?
« on: January 10, 2009, 06:11:27 AM »

I know you're genuinely concerned, so if I sound flip, I apologize in advance. 

My wife and I had our first child in November, two weeks before the start of exams.  I haven't gotten my grades yet, but (knock on wood) I'm fairly confident.  If I can do it with a little one, you can do it with a cat.  I promise...

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