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There is no "polite" way of turning you down. The polite way of turning down applications is the rejection letter that says, "We've had over 7,700 applicants for only 250 slots and as a result must reject some very good applicants." If they don't want you, they don't want you, and it really doesn't matter about politeness at that point. There isn't any reason for them to soften the blow. They aren't thinking, "Hey we'll just waitlist him and maybe if he pans out to be something great, he can utilize him for networking by reminding him of our kind waitlist offer."

The WLs are probably a result of your GPA. 77/100 in the US translates to a C+ on most scales, which is a 2.5. I'm not sure how US News translates international applicant GPA but a 2.5 will bring down the averages for all those schools. If you list your class ranking it might be helpful when examining this aspect. Another factor could be your LSAT score variance. Did you include an addenda explaining why your scores increased substantially? The 165 to 168 jump is easily explained. However, the 175 jump is both impressive and somewhat confusing without an addendum.

Another factor involved could be your application time. If you applied late (Feb or later) it would likely translate to more waitlists.

For your likelihood of getting off those lists it depends on the school. Check the WL standards for each school and you can gauge how much of a chance you stand for getting off of them. There are several waitlists at some of those schools as well and depending on which WL you are on, your chances will vary. Congrats on hearing from GULC so soon and good luck with your decision.

Law School Admissions / Re: Top 5% in 1L at a Fourth Tier School
« on: April 30, 2008, 05:48:17 AM »
Check out

There's a lot of Cooley transfer results in the database which will more or less answers your question.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Rejecting the Coasts
« on: April 30, 2008, 04:15:33 AM »
So just to get this straight, you don't want to live on the East Coast, West Coast, Northern Midwest, and Mid-Midwest? And you're looking for a school ranked better than Vanderbilt?

It seems like you decided on a pretty distinct market that you'll want to practice. Inside the t14, UVA and Duke are considered the "Southern" schools but they both lie on the coast. Since you know where you want to practice and it isn't one of the major legal markets, you might just be best going to a regional school. You'd need to look up employment statistics for Arkanas and Louisana, but I'm fairly certain the majority of new associates come from local schools.

Vanderbilt seems to fit everything you want to a key. Emory and W&L are also viewed as "Southern Regional Powerhouses." The University of Alabama also places extremely well in the geographic region you mentioned and has been generally rising in prestige.

Also, something to note, the t14 aren't as limited by geography. It's mostly self selection. If you show up in Arkansas with a Duke law degree it certainly won't hurt you.

Now, wasn't that ironic....

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wayne State v. Michigan State
« on: April 17, 2008, 09:04:48 PM »
I visited MSU law a little while back and was rather impressed with what I saw. It was by no means the University of Michigan, but it was a lot nicer than I had envisioned. They also have the backing of Michigan State University, which has quite a bit of funds at their disposal and will likely continue to improve their law school.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UIUC
« on: April 17, 2008, 08:29:18 PM »
Regardless of the outcome, an increase in application numbers creates additional work for the admissions staff and could affect how long it takes to get out results.

For example, they need to try to recalculate possbile yields to address these new numbers and decide how many people to admit and waitlist.
And even if the candidates are not competitive for admissions, the admissions staff says they review each potential applicant, which still increases the burden on the application staff.

Either way, an increase in applicants creates a great deal of work for the admissions staff. How many people to admit? How many people to watilist? What will yield look like in light of these new numbers? It's a great deal of work to sculpt the best possible class of incoming students who will actually attend. I don't envy the admissions staff of a school that needs to completely rework their calculations to adjust for a massive increase in applicants.  

The change from 25 to 27 is also rather negligible in terms of rankings shifts.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UIUC
« on: April 17, 2008, 07:18:57 PM »
My application had been complete for quite some time and I just received the acceptance + scholarship information today. From the email they said they had a 30% increase in applicants from the previous year so that could of played a role in your delayed notification.

That's a good point about 0Ls knowing the exact career paths we'll want to follow. Also it looks like you've got a lot of great choices. I'd visit the schools and see if one seems like an amazing fit to you personally. I can speak from experience that there's a large difference between Lexington and New York City.

Can you live in a big city and not be distracted and concentrate on your legal studies?

Is a small town the perfect environment for you to study or will it make you go crazy?

In terms of schools ranked 17-30 you've managed to get yourself as big of a mix as possible. East Coast, West Coast, City, Town, North East, South. Find the kind of flavor you like the best and go with it.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Undergrad Advantage
« on: April 14, 2008, 07:48:11 PM »
It really depends on several factors.

The first is the strength of the u-grad institution VS the strength of the law school. Specifically if you go to an amazing undergrad that will butcher your GPA, the law school will know a good bit more about your quality as a law student relative to the law school. Also, your LOR might have more weight since the law staff might be familiar with the person writing your recommendation. This is contingent upon you getting an amazing LOR from that person, but it might help.

Second, is the number of students from the undergraduate institution who apply and attend the school. Every school likes to have diversity, so if a large number of strong applicants from your schools also apply to that school it might negatively impact your chances.

Third is the likelihood that you'll attend. Every school looks out for their yield numbers. If there is a compelling reason for you to want to stay, then it might help your chances.   

Generally speaking, attending the same undergraduate school as the law school is a weak to moderate soft factor. It will really depend on your university and the specifics of your application whether or not it will help you. At the very least, you'll know the area and know if it's a place you can spend three years studying law at.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Best and Worst Advice
« on: April 03, 2008, 10:09:51 PM »
Best: Apply Early. (did not take)

Worst: Wait and take the additional time needed to perfect my personal statements and apply later. (did take)

First and foremost we are numbers on a piece of paper. Unless you're an older applicant or a URM the "amazing PS" advantage does not seem to be greater than the "applying early" advantage.

I applied in Feb. and would advise to anyone to try not to apply later than January. You'll still get in somewhere, and it won't be just your safeties. But, you'll also get some head scratchiers for rejections and some schools will really penalize you for apply late.

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