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Law School Admissions / Re: Suggest schools which fit my profile?
« on: May 04, 2009, 09:19:22 PM »
I'm new to this and would like advice on where I should apply, since I only decided to apply to law school on a whim. I've been getting non-stop inquiries about it from friends and parents, and I don't even know where to start. Obviously I know I shouldn't finalize my list until I take the LSAT score, but I want to be able to plan ahead somewhat.

Non-URM with a 3.6 at Georgetown University, majoring in Government with a minor in a non-native non-western language (something I'm really proud of and I think sets me apart). I'm taking the June LSAT with a predicted score ~170 (I've taken three full-length test-prep-company diagnostic tests with my scores being 170, 175, and 176, so who knows how it's actually gonna turn out).

My dream schools would be Georgetown, UChicago, Northwestern, or Cornell -- is it even worth it to bother applying to these places since my GPA isn't that great? Should I aim lower? Does it matter that I'm coming from a hyper-competitive undergraduate background instead of getting a 3.9 at StateU? My dad wants me to apply to HLS, but isn't that a total pipe dream?

Although people say that "you might as well apply!" I really don't want to go through the whole process of blanketing every top-14 school if it's only going to stress me out. I'd like to find some matches (WashU?) and a few reaches. Can you help me?
Take the LSAT first. With a 3.6/170 those schools would be possible, but not for sure. Whereas, it's honing in on "for sure" if you pocket a 176. HLS is a pipe dream in all likelihood either way given your GPA. It's hard to decide what your matches/reaches/safeties should be until you get your scores, though. It'd also be helpful to know what qualities in a school are of importance to you. And where in the country you want to be.

Law School Admissions / Re: D in Calculus...major problem?
« on: March 30, 2009, 10:44:16 PM »
I wish i could match your eloquence.


Thanks, duder. Hey, will I be seeing you in Cornell this weekend?


Curious why you'd say that. Do you know that they're particularly hard on people with disciplinary issues? Cause his numbers are textbook Northwestern--marginal GPA, high LSAT.

Yeah, that's true, but he's also still in undergrad. NU is notorious not only for LSAT whoring (i.e. not caring nearly as much about GPA), but for taking applicants with work experience.

I just think with this offense + lack of work experience, he's almost certain to not be offered admission.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northwestern vs Penn vs NYU
« on: March 30, 2009, 10:36:20 PM »
Penn wouldn't give a poo about NU (not NW) offer.  It is not considered to be a peer school.  What do you want to do after law school?

Wait, but NU and Cornell are peer schools and a friend of mine has Penn match money from Cornell. Also, I don't think NU is one of those schools that throw money at students necessarily. I think they could be considered peers, actually - at least for scholarship purposes. I think there are two tiers of peers within the T-14 HYSCCN and BPMVDCNG

Michigan, definitely. Better job options, smarter classmates, etc. Plus, everyone that visits (I never have) seems to love the place. Go to ASW there.

Not everyone. I didn't care for my visit there, really (and I LOVED WUSTL). Still, I think I'd choose Michigan of the three for its national reach. But yeah, it depends on your career goals. OP, visit these schools and see what feels right for you.

Michigan, definitely. Better job options, smarter classmates, etc. Plus, everyone that visits (I never have) seems to love the place. Go to ASW there.

Not everyone. I didn't care for my visit. I didn't look at UIUC, OP, but I preferred WUSTL to Michigan. Still, I would have chosen Michigan between these three - simply because of its national reach. But yeah, try and visit these places - see what feels right.

Law School Admissions / Re: D in Calculus...major problem?
« on: March 30, 2009, 10:22:45 PM »
Alright, question.  My overall GPA is a 3.48.  However, if you only look at my first semester freshman year, sophomore year, first semester junior year, and my senior year (everything but second semester freshman and second semester junior), I have a 3.75.  The reason is this:

Freshman year, after a strong first semester, I got into a serious relationship, caught the freshman year party animal bug, got cocky about school, didn't go to required recitations, and was thus penalized with a C and a B-.  I got A's in my two other classes.

The next year and a half went really well, and I decided I needed to challenge myself.  I hadn't taken a math since high school, when I got a 5 on Ap Calc.  I decided to take the next level of calculus as a Pass/D/Fail course, as I had no need of the class, knew it was statistically the hardest class offered at UNC (meaning most failed, not hardest material), and would be taking 18 hours, including Calc.  Unfortunately, despite receiving above average scores on the midterms and homeworks, I was looking at a D going into the final.  They do not curve, so, just to clarify, the average grade in the class was a D. I studied my ass off for the comprehensive exam, so much so that I didn't have time to study for my other classes, which I had been doing A work in.  I ended up getting a D on the final and a D in calculus, along with many others in the class.  My grades in the other classes suffered because I allocated so much time to calculus.  I ended up with a D, a B, 3 B+'s, and an A-.  I did well last semester and am looking at all A's this semester.

So, my question really is, does this completely screw my upward trend?  Will they analyze the numbers and look leniently on me, or am I screwed for getting a D.  I was trying to challenge myself and go beyond the required to prove myself.  Instead I just proved that I'm a moron.  Should I write a letter with applications?  Just let it go?  A 3.48 doesn't look that bad, but I really don't think I'm a 3.48 student.  6/8 semesters I've been a 3.7 student, and it would have been 7/8 if I'd not been a moron and taken calculus and 8/8 if I hadn't turned into a worthless scumbag my second semester freshman year.  Advice?

Addendum. Explain this in an addendum.

Law School Admissions / Re: Why asking "Have u applied a prior year"
« on: March 30, 2009, 10:20:47 PM »
Why do law schools care about whether we have applied for them before?  If we answer yes, are they seriously gonna dig out our old files to compare or what?

Probably. Why waste time making another decision if you have already decided once, especially if there's no new LSAT or other pertinent information on the board?

There was this girl who applied ED to a school got waitlisted, then reapplied ED and was admitted. Anecdotal stories are fun.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAT Range 25th/75th percentile
« on: March 30, 2009, 10:17:33 PM »
Assuming a GPA close to the median and solid work experience / softs, are you in a good position if you're at the 25th percentile mark?

Just solid? Then, no, not really. That's like waitlist territory, with the occasional acceptance/rejection.

Get into counseling and stay there. You may have a difficult time right away, but as time passes, the adcoms will trust you more. It wasn't a breach of trust issue (i.e., cheating, theft, check fraud, etc), so that bodes in your favor. What they want to know is three things: 1) That you realize your mistake and are remorseful for it,  2) that you have learned from it, and are, thus, 3) not likely to repeat it.

Get counseling and stay there. If you don't have a community service project, you definitely need one, regardless. Take this opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. Go to the court and ask if you can join an anti-drug campaign or talk to juveniles about the dangers of drugs. It may, at first, seem disengenuous (so do not tell the adcoms about it this year. Apply and see what happens.

If you don't get in, keep up with the program for the next two years and let the adcoms know about it the next time you apply. Then, they will be surprized and ask, "Geez, why didn't he mention this community service before?" And it will seem as no big deal to you, thus, more genuine. Community service will always help for people who have been busted.

Just a few suggestions.

Are you f-ing serious? This guy doesn't need counseling. Honestly, it won't be THAT big of a deal - if you can deal with it properly. Lawdog's initial idea is credited - you just want to clarify that you've shaped up.

Definitely don't do something like get therapy or counseling (unless you need it). My guess is most schools will not not take you for this.

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