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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
« on: June 01, 2009, 02:09:07 PM »
So to circle back around to everyone and put closure on this discussion....

After visiting both Rutgers-Camden and UNLV, UNLV came out on top. I mean, the biggest drawback was the fear that I might like living out there too much to want to move back east!  So my seat deposit was submitted to UNLV...

...and then I withdrew the seat deposit when I was accepted to Temple! (UNLV really is wonderful, they were great and agreed not to deposit my check).  So in the end, I'm starting at Temple Univ Beasley School of Law in August. Funny how things work out!

Current Law Students / Audio books for law school?
« on: June 01, 2009, 01:38:08 PM »
Does anyone know if any of the law school reading materials are available as mp3 / podcasts/CDs ?  Books, casebooks, study aides, etc...any of it available in this format?

Thanks for the input!

It's all about where you want to live - Sacramento or New Jersey. The good thing about Rutgers-Camden is that it carries well throughout NJ so you aren't stuck in Camden, by any means. And, by the way, if you aren't familiar with Camden the surrounding areas are actually nice. Supposedly R-C also places OK in Philly (which is across the river), but you're dealing with a LOT of competition there. But going to R-C can get you a GREAT judicial clerkship.

I visited both schools, and applied only to Rutgers-Camden. But I'm an east coast girl, so that choice was easy. Also, when I visited Pacific-McGeorge during July of last summer, I chatted with a recent graduate who was there studying for the bar. He seemed rather obviously disgruntled. Seemed like he chose to go there over "better" schools because of a scholarship, but now can't find a job. Remember that California is a big market for people to move to so there is not necessarily any local loyalty. People from the T-14 will relocate to CA for jobs, so employers can be picky.  And, well, Jersey is Jersey.

Good luck if you haven't decided yet!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: The Official I'm Going to X School Thread
« on: April 20, 2009, 05:18:41 PM »
I'm going to Temple! ;D

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
« on: March 23, 2009, 01:25:44 PM »
Thanks for all the opinions. This discussion has turned into the discussion that's been going on in my head for weeks now.   ;D

LSU seems great, but I think I'm at a point to pass on it. It would be a lot of fun and offers great opportunities with the common/civil law aspect, but I don't want to be in Louisiana forever.

So now it's really just between UNLV and Rutgers. I'm visiting each (again) over the next two weekends for their respective accepted students days.... hopefully that will make the decision for me!


Temple is a far better school than any of the others you listed. USF and Pacific-McGeorge are far from SoCal. I visited Pacific-McGeorge this past summer and liked it well enough...but I talked with a recent grad who was there studying for the bar and I can still picture him as he said to me "Go to the top school you get into, regardless of the price". And while I don't necessarily suggest taking that advice to the "t", it does show a recent Pacific grad who is clearly frustrated in his job search. He went there over a much higher ranked school because of the scholarship he received, and he definitely did not seem pleased with the decision. In other words, Pacific (and likely USF) will probably be just as hard, if not harder, to get a job in SoCal as it would be from Temple.

And Rutgers-Newark....well it's in Newark. I realize Temple is in North Philly, but it's still better than Newark. Depending on where in NJ your family is, you may be closer to them being at Temple anyway.

Temple is generally considered among the top public law schools in the country, and is always listed as one of the top bargain schools. A drawback is definitely its location...don't get me wrong, Philly is great (its my hometown), but the area where Temple is can be fairly rough and it's definitely very different from majority of SoCal (unless you're in LA).

Myself, I'm still waiting to hear from Temple. Don't know if that's a good or a bad thing...but if I got in I'd likely be going there.

Best of luck in your decision. And I definitely encourage you visiting Temple (and the other schools) before putting your seat deposit down. It could make up your mind for you.

My husband and I are in a similar situation. Not that the pre-existing condition is excluded, but that the yearly pharmacy coverage is not even what one month of his prescription costs. We were told to look into private healthcare :(  We're contacting the non-profit group for his disease to see if the have suggestions.

Basically, the student health insurance coverage is bare bones, emergency medical only. No good for someone who has a hefty monthly prescription.

Let's share whatever info we find.

Best of luck to you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Options: Quality vs. Expediency
« on: March 18, 2009, 08:20:35 AM »
another quick follow up.

For the OP's situation, that GPA is definitely harsh, but being so far removed helps tremendously. As long as you can show all the experience you have since then, that you've matured, etc it will help mitigate the low gpa.

and RE-TAKE THE LSAT!!  Even a few points higher will bump you into a different category of applicant, and make the adcomms take a second look at your app. And as a non-trad, that's what you need. Make them see everything else you've done and that the GPA does not portray the type of law student you will be nor does it accurately reflect your academic capabilities (assuming that it doesn't, of course).

Also, to your relative's point about the quality of a legal education... I visited a lot of law schools across the country last summer and talked to a lot of students and employees (law librarians, etc). One guy hit it on the nail for me and I saw it true at every school I visited thereafter. The "better" law schools teach you legal theory. They teach you how to think about the law and analyze the law. They teach you philosophy and theory so that you learn how to apply it. The "lesser" ranked law schools teach you HOW to be a lawyer....the classes focus on filing and the procedures of how to act like a lawyer. Of course those things are useful and needed, but you can also learn that during the first internship or clerkship you have. It's not to often you see good legal research papers coming from a Cooley grad...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Options: Quality vs. Expediency
« on: March 18, 2009, 08:07:34 AM »
I'll be honest, I did not read the entire original post, and I did not read any of the responses so if what I'm about to say has already been said... well, sorry.

Retake the LSAT.  For non-trads, the LSAT definitely outweighs GPA. I say this from my own experience.

Here's the quick stats for others like me who don't want to read the whole post: 2.85 UG GPA, LSAT (Feb 08)= 157, LSAT (June 08) = 162

Although not to the same extent as you, I am also quite a few years removed from school. What you are doing right now is almost exactly where I was one year ago. I studied during the month of January and took the early Feb LSAT, debating whether to jump into the application ring so late in the game. I'm a married female who wants to start a family, so each year that school takes is a year in waiting to start a family - obviously starting early was very important to me. I scored a very disappointing 157 (I was devastated). I knew I had the potential to do much better than that. Add into it that applying so late in the game to schools not only limits where you can potentially get in, but also wipes out almost any chance of getting scholarship monies, and I begrudingly decided to re-take the LSAT and apply early in the cycle this year for the best opportunity for acceptances and scholarship.

The extra time with the LSAT paid off. Practice test scores were in the mid to high 160's (so I, unfortunately, was absolutely distraught when I got my 162 score - but I digress). I did not get my applications out early like intended, but with December/January apps and the better LSAT, I've been accepted to multiple top 100 schools, all with nice scholarships.

And the person who told you 1 year out and the school no longer matters is lying. They clearly did not go to a good school. Obviously HOW you do at the school and the connections you make matter significantly for wherever you go, but the name of that school is with you forever. I thank my stars everyday that I did not apply last year. Last year I was looking at schools like Dayton and Roger William and doubting if I would get in. Now I'm deciding between schools ranked in the 80's to 70's with respectable names and the scholarships they've given me. (ok other LSD'ers, i know you would rather die than go to a school ranked 77, but we didn't all choose studying over fun in college)   

The reputation of the school and the scholarships I've gotten are going to help get me out of (less) debt a whole lot faster than if I went through and applied last year. It sucks to wait a year, but do it. You'll be better off in the long run....especially when your long-run isn't as long as everybody elses. You don't have the luxury of taking 5 years to work your way up to making the big bucks. You need to go somewhere that can qualify you for a great money-making job right away.

So that's my opinion. Best of luck to you, whatever it is you choose.   8)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
« on: March 18, 2009, 06:53:27 AM »
Thanks for the opinions! Matthies, good points. I knew I would need to stay in the schools area for a while to work, but hadn't thought about the difficulty of moving after that. Good things to think about.

Ninjal, what made you rule out Rutgers-Camden?


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