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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UGA v. UF($)
« on: May 07, 2008, 10:16:13 PM »
UF consistantly ranks about 10 below UGA in the us news rankings. What affect would that have on employment prospects? Also UF is the top law school in Florida where UGA is second to Emory in Georgia. Is that significant?

Can anyone comment on UF's decline in the rankings and if they think UF will bounce back.

Probably no affect, but it might have an effect. 

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Best and Worst Advice
« on: May 03, 2008, 07:50:35 AM »
Best Advice:
1. Apply early
2. Do all "optional" essays
3. Study for the LSAT
4. Get LOR's from professors that actually know you
5. Proofread your applications before submitting them
6. Make sure your personal statement is personal, and that it shows you know where you've been and where you're going

1. "Go to the best school you get into"

I applied in September and haven't heard back yet.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FIU vs Miami
« on: March 29, 2008, 08:45:21 AM »
Maybe in 20 or 30 years this should be question. Right now this shouldn't even be a question.  UM is an easy choice.
FIU has absolutely no name recognition outside Miami.It is debatable that they even have a name in Miami.
I love how people always think because a school is cheap that makes it a great school. This is nonsense. Just because FIU is cheap does not mean it will improve your career options.

FIU as of now has pretty poor career options. Their employment rate at graduation is less then 50%. Also that is with extremely small classes. Imagine if FIU had a class of over 400 like UM. Their employment rate at graduation would probably be 10-20%. Sure having a lesser amount of loans is fine, but try paying them off with no job.

Here is another indicator. OCI interviews. These stats are misleading because not all employers report it and some employers don't even show up.

FIU is 38
UM is 154

And I have heard at FIU they don't actually show up, they just collect resumes.

In sum, FIU career options are very poor. You may have less loans, but most likely if you even have a job a graduation it will be a much lower paying job. Plus you probably will confine yourself to having to work in Miami. A UM degree does not limit your options to just Miami.

I would go to UM and not even think twice.

To me the only schools in Florida I would even consider would be UF, UM, FSU, and to a lesser degree Stetson.

Definitely a valid argument and the obvious argument for Miami.  I don't think you can jump to those conclusions that 10-20% of students would be employed at graduation with a bigger class size, however.  In fact, I would go as far to say that many more than the 43% reported have jobs.  Now that we are actually ranked T3 with ABA approval, I think our deans are going to push harder for our graduates to fill out the employed forms. 

Now that we have ABA approval, topped the bar exam list and moved into the new building, i'd like to see the reported numbers on next year's USNWR before jumping to those conclusions that we have "poor employment options." 

However, your statements about Miami are valid and that degree definitely travels. No one is arguing that Miami isn't the best school in Miami.

21.4% employment rate in the latest US News...ouch. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Concentration vs overall quality?
« on: March 28, 2008, 07:27:30 PM »
If you know you want to pursue environmental law as a specialty, just make sure whatever school you end up attending has environmental law classes.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: FIU just DROPPED to T4!!!
« on: March 28, 2008, 07:13:00 PM »
I think Miami and FIU will both be TTT within the next five years. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: T1? T2?
« on: March 28, 2008, 12:44:27 PM »
According to US News, the top 100 is Tier 1. It says it right there in their rankings system.

Yeah, but along the side of their page it says this:

"by tier
Law School Tier

    * Top 100 (104)
    * Tier 3 (37)
    * Tier 4 (42)"

I refuse to call Stetson tier 1, even though USNews seems to want to have its cake and eat it too.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: T1? T2?
« on: March 28, 2008, 12:28:21 PM »
So what's your point? Are the top 100 Tier 1 or what?

There is no tier 1 or 2 anymore--instead USNews has "The Top 100 Schools" and "Tier 3" and "Tier 4".

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: T1? T2?
« on: March 28, 2008, 10:17:20 AM »
It has always been this way.

USWNR has three tiers: called T1, T3 and T4.

Because of the obviously missing T2 and the nice even number of schools in the top tier, law students, profs and anyone else who give a crap about this stuff add an imaginary T2 to the mix.

So, while TECHNICALLY the University of Louisville (Brandeis) is a tier 1 school, no one (except maybe U of L students themselves) would consider them that.

No it hasn't.  In fact, when USNews first started ranking law schools (back in 1987) it only ranked 20 schools TOTAL.  That's why a lot of people still refer to the top 20 (or top 14 sometimes) as the first tier.

As US News's rankings became more respected and more widely used, they expanded the number of schools that they rank to include regional schools, in addition to the 15-20 national schools. 

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