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Incoming 1Ls / Done w/ 1L. It was a great year!
« on: May 14, 2006, 03:55:05 PM »
A word of encouragement to all the rising 1Ls. I've just finished my first year at CLS. It was a great ride. Law school is challenging and stresful at times, but it is really not as bad as the stereotypes suggest. You will meet some great people, and will have a great yeat, I am sure. Just remember that you should focus more on learning and the whole academic process than just obsess about grades. Also, if you are smart about the way you study, you really should have a good social life in NYC! Let me know if you have questions about law school or CLS specifically. Cannot wait to meet you in August. You guys begin school around 2 weeks earlier than we do:)

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 30, 2006, 06:26:21 PM »
The SIPA cafe. They have Illy espresso and American there - best coffee on campus. Not surprising considering the crowds of Italian and French students at SIPA.

where do CLS students typically buy their coffee, anyway?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 28, 2006, 02:05:02 PM »
I am a current student, 1L, and I agree with you that Columbia administrators tend to be on the rude side. However, this is mostly true for some people in admissions and mostly fin aid. I assure you that your experience at Columbia will be much more positive once law school begins. The truth of the matter is that administration matters only until you begin your classes. After that, you do not see them unless you want to. More importantly, the people in career services and Student services are exceptionally nice, so you should not be concerned about that. As I said, not having a good first impression from the admin people at Columbia is quite common phenomenon, but someone who is about to finish 1L, I must tell you that I feel very happy and welcome here.

Last minute decisions...I'm down to Michigan and CLS, 75% likely in favor of CLS.  I'm really surprised I'm still debating this even, but Michigan will end up being a little cheaper (10k/year).  The real thing is that I feel like I've been treated excetionally well by Michigan, and kind of cold-shouldered by CLS.  I'm wondering if any of you have felt this way?  Esecially CLS students currently attending.
    For example, at Michigan every email has been answered quickly and with a personalized email, in every office.  They've gone out of the way to help me out becuase I'm abroad right now, including fed-exing me things.
    CLS always takes 2-3 days to reply, and I almost always am redirected to use the general emails.  My father also had to call into both schools and felt well treated by Michigan and rudely treated by CLS, which wasn't helpful if they expect me to ask him for money.
    I know this shouldn't be a huge factor in deciding where to go, but I can't help to have reservation about forking over so much money if I'm not even being treated that well.  What have your experiences with that administration at CLS been (excluding merit offers)?  And for those attending, how accesible to you feel the faculty generally is?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:58:20 PM »
Again, this is not necessarily true. I have no classes Thur and Fri, so basically 2nd semester is total bliss.Also, you can complete ur mootcourt 1st semester (one of the named competitions). I actually recommend u get it out of the way. Also, do no journal experience as 1L. Totally useless.

yeah but still, con law crim law property admin AND legal thought?  :-\

that's a LOT of classes.  :D

Yeah, pretty intimidating.  It almost seems like 1L 2nd semester is more stressful for whatever reason.  I have friends at UCLA, Harvard, and Virginia, and they all sounded miserable as hell 1L 2nd (1.5L?).  But for the most part, I hear people are so burned out after first semester that some start skipping class 2nd semester.  At least we'll have NYC ;)

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:55:39 PM »
1L is really not that bad. I guess if you really want to be in top 10%, then it can be a miserable experience but most of us having are a good time.

I got a call from a Columbia alumnus who went to my undergrad who gave me what I considered pretty good advice so I figured I'd share.  (Some you might have heard before)

*Take a survey approach to law school; concentrating on a particular type of law isn't necessary.  For example, if  you think you want to practice IP law, take 2 classes--maybe 3 if you have to--in IP law.  You'll learn everything on the job in the first years.

*You should take Commercial transactions, trusts & estates, tax, securities, and corporations.
*Pay attention in Contracts and Property
*Remember that for all the verbose nature of the cases you read, they can each be condensed to a single line or a small paragraph.  Don't sweat the minute details.

*Your final outline should be as lean as it can be while still providing you with a complete understanding.  Lenghty outlines are more likely to hinder than to help.

*Make no mistake, law school will be the hardest thing you have ever done so far.

*If you're undergrad isn't exactly a "vaulted instituion", don't be nervous about competing with the HYP crowd.  "They put their pants on one leg at a time too."

*The Columbia name will definitely add "a certain lustre to your profile/resume" so don't discount that factor when deciding (but of course, we've already chosen's still nice to hear).

*Remember that the CLS name only counts for the first job and the first transition.  8, 9, 10 years out, you will be judged mostly by what you have accomplished. 

Oh, and my personal favorite:

*There will come a time in your IL year when you'd rather be a window washer than a law student."  That moment will come and that moment will pass and you will be (mostly) fine.

HTH.  :)

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:50:55 PM »
For first semester, the small classes very. A lot of people had Contracts for small class. Second semester, your elective is your small class, which may not be that small depending on what class you choose.

Hey Dorian --

I have to agree that UChicago is a wonderful place, although not necessarily for everybody. In general, it would be hard to justify passing up Chicago with $ over Columbia. What rubbed you the wrong way about the school? I know a lot about the law school (did undergrad there, made a lot of friends at the law school), so I'd be happy to give my thoughts on any concerns or questions you have. (PM me, because you're hijacking the thread for those of us who've decided)

Back to the CLS discussion. Does anyone know what class we get the smaller section in next year? I'm hoping for either Civ Pro (because I've hard it has the hardest concepts) or Contracts (because I think I'd find that the most interesting) Any thoughts?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:46:42 PM »
Legal Methods is a fantastic class. They have the best professors teaching it (Ginsburg, Sovereign, Greenwalt,etc.). Basically, it goes for 3 hours a day, and you have a legal writing section in between. The reading is about 45 pages per day. Really does not take long. Allows you a smooth transition to law school, and also did I mention the best time to party and really get to know your classmates. Btw/, there are minimum approximately 3 wine law school organized events per week for the entire duration of LM:)

hm... how does this one month class work? Are we just sitting in the same classroom with the same people with the same teacher all day long for a month?

also, look what i found:

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:36:36 PM »
We have a couple of kids from Colorado. They are loving it up here.
I'm a Colorado gal here  :D I love folks from out west!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: CLS class of 2009
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:31:13 PM »
I am a big fan of Casbah Rouge (the Moroccoan bar where the Gypsy Kings often show up), also the bars at 80th and Amsterdam are great. The best movie theater is Lincoln AMC. For shopping, a lot of people do Fresh Direct. I prefer Garden of Eden.

What about entertainment?  Are there movie theatres around? 

Some of my friends pay 650 or 700 for really big rooms in awesome appt. shares. isn't that more or less the same with rent in Philly? I pay around 1K but b/se I am in law housing.

If you get UAH housing, the NYC housing is even cheaper than at Penn.

i'm gonna have to disagree with that.


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