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« on: December 28, 2007, 02:01:37 AM »
because medicine involves helping people. I'm old and bitter and I want to screw people out of their hard earned money. The last thing I want to do is help them.
Don't worry, your goals are not necessarily mutually exclusive with that of medicine. You could go after poor poor patients and contribute to the rising bankruptcy rate stemming from enormous health care bills!
« on: December 28, 2007, 01:06:18 AM »
The example you gave is of the lowest earning specialties of medicine, the median for FP is about 140.http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/aboutus/specialty/facts/15.html
Compare that to the lowest paying law job, (judicial clerk?) @ 35k-50k. Its not even a comparison to me.
Median and mean 2005 individual income before taxes (in thousands of dollars) of family physicians, October 2006
N Median Mean
Total Respondents 1,237 $145.0 $152.3
New England 117 $120.0 $129.1
Middle Atlantic 143 $135.0 $142.5
East North Central 156 $145.0 $143.7
West North Central 159 $170.0 $178.8
South Atlantic 117 $140.0 $149.5
East South Central 132 $149.5 $172.7
West South Central 111 $165.0 $172.7
Mountain 168 $130.5 $144.9
Pacific 134 $133.0 $139.8
Type of Practice
Solo 189 $150.0 $151.7
Two-Person 86 $145.0 $157.7
FP Group 429 $150.0 $157.9
Multispecialty Group 211 $156.0 $166.0
« on: December 27, 2007, 11:15:21 PM »
UF, UM, FIU, and Loyola Chicago. Could graduate with $0 in debt at FIU hence the interest there. BTW, love those Tintin pics. Am a big fan myself.
« on: December 27, 2007, 10:21:42 PM »
I feel like I need to chime in here. My wife, parents and sister are all docs. My wife would be the best example, since she's finishing up this year. Her debt load is going to be about 140k upon graduation. Among her classmates the highest I've heard is 180 or 190 (but that may include debt from undergrad). 400k is seriously unheard of, while I suppose its possible. During residency, you can start making payments on the loans or you can pay after residency, they amount DOES NOT balloon to 400 or anything close. Depending on the private lender, the interest MAY accrue. I know this because this is what I've been researching for the past few weeks.
Overall, I feel MD's are much better off in comparison, both financially and in terms of job security, and therefore the high tuitions are justified and med students don't mind. It doesn't really matter if you graduate from a prestigious school or state school, at the end of the day you can be doing your residency at the finest training program, prestige of school is no bar. It depends on your usmle scores and personality.
Only place I guess prestige of school would matter is maybe if one's going into research etc. After residency, the absolute lowest they would earn would be in the 120k range. More than enough to make the loan payments.
In law you could go to a decent T1 and be 150k in debt and very realistically be making much less than 100k (not everyone wants to or makes it to biglaw). That scenario is simply impossible in medicine. Heck if you decide on public interest or similar, I don't how you would begin to repay (yes I know LRAP, but I dont know how universal that is?).
But at the end of the day it all boils down to interest and aptitude, I could never see myself doing what my wife does. And she could never see herself doing what I do now or may end up doing as a lawyer. Some like both, I guess there's the MD/JD option for them!
Another thing I noticed in comparing the two, the MD application process seemed much harder than my application process.
Anyways...those are my two cents.
Edit: Also wanted to add, during residency the salary is usually between 40 and 50k, but one could almost double that by doing something known as "locum" or "moonlighting" where you work nights at different hospitals (schedule permitting). If someone does that, you could potentially pay off the loans even before you finish your residency.
« on: December 18, 2007, 06:40:59 PM »
I didn't try the individual tutoring, so sorry if my reply is useless to you, but I was having the same problem. I did the bible, lots of practice, etc. but it didnt help too much. I was still taking 12 or so minutes per game.
I compiled a "book" of every game section in the past 10-12 years, and practiced them three times. By the end of it, I could do ANY game within 5 minutes. It was a lot of work, but its the main thing that worked for me. I aced the games section when I eventually took the LSAT for the second time.
Just thought I give my two cents before you go out and spend the big bucks on a tutor.
« on: November 21, 2007, 02:05:45 PM »
Just use either #8549 (or whatever the p.o. box number is) or
ATTN: Recommendations (This is what LSAC told me to do).
I've sent it both ways and they were fine.
« on: November 13, 2007, 09:24:02 PM »
Ok, not trying to defend cooley or anything, luckily for me (and most people on this board), it would not be considered as an option.....
BUT, they are actually not that expensive, apparently if you get a 158+, you automatically get a 75% scholarship, and 100% for 163+. So for many, many of us on this board, thats either free tuition or $20k for three years.
Yes, I know anyone on this board with a decent score will scoff at Cooley, but I could totally see someone who lives in Michigan or in the area with limited means get a legal education for very cheap.
All I'm saying is, why not cut them some slack because they maybe educating someone for free (or at a low cost) who has no other means of a legal education.
What that education is worth, I don't know. I understand the ridicule they attract from the bogus rankings etc, but the part about being extremely expensive doesn't really apply to most people (I'm assuming most people) on this board.
« on: November 09, 2007, 12:38:55 PM »
Thanks for the replies. All LSAC tables I found are the standard 25-75, unless I missed it.
I was just curious because I came accross U of Richond's site and they list the entire range. Thought it would be nice to see that for other's too, but I guess not!
FYI Here's University of Richmond's:
* 75% GPA - 3.72
* Median - 3.50
* 25% - 3.25
* Range - 2.11-4.05
* 75% LSAT Score - 164
* Median - 161 (84th percentile)
* 25% - 159
* Range - 150-171