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Law School Admissions / Re: why law school instead of med school?
« on: December 27, 2007, 11:17:10 PM »
Maybe I'm wrong, but I understood that 130k to be "Starting" as it states in the header. But i suppose it could be "Starting median".

And how many, if any of those do you think are making less than 100?

You're arguing about a very small percentage of physicians who MAY make less then 100. And that income may be less than average for a number of reasons which may include (but not limited to) working half-time, choosing to start own practice instead of being a hospitalist. Not due to a lack of opportunity to make that much.

Please look at this:

Law School Admissions / Re: why law school instead of med school?
« on: December 27, 2007, 11:01:37 PM »
because medicine involves helping people.  I'm old and bitter and I want to screw people out of their hard earned money.  The last thing I want to do is help them.

Don't worry, your goals are not necessarily mutually exclusive with that of medicine. You could go after poor poor patients and contribute to the rising bankruptcy rate stemming from enormous health care bills!

Law School Admissions / Re: why law school instead of med school?
« on: December 27, 2007, 10:41:22 PM »
Nobody's saying the floor in medicine is lower than the floor in law; nobody's saying even that the average in FP is lower than the average from T1.

The claim was that sub-100K salaries are "basically impossible."  This claim is patently false.

Law School Admissions / Re: why law school instead of med school?
« on: December 27, 2007, 10:06:18 PM »
The example you gave is of the lowest earning specialties of medicine, the median for FP is about 140.

Compare that to the lowest paying law job, (judicial clerk?) @ 35k-50k. Its not even a comparison to me.

Median and mean 2005 individual income before taxes (in thousands of dollars) of family physicians, October 2006

                              N   Median   Mean
Total Respondents   1,237   $145.0   $152.3
Census Division           
    New England     117   $120.0   $129.1
    Middle Atlantic     143   $135.0   $142.5
    East North Central   156   $145.0   $143.7
    West North Central   159   $170.0   $178.8
    South Atlantic      117   $140.0   $149.5
    East South Central   132   $149.5   $172.7
    West South Central   111   $165.0   $172.7
    Mountain             168   $130.5   $144.9
    Pacific             134   $133.0   $139.8
Type of Practice           
    Solo                     189   $150.0   $151.7
    Two-Person       86   $145.0   $157.7
    FP Group             429   $150.0   $157.9
    Multispecialty Group   211   $156.0   $166.0

Law School Admissions / Re: why law school instead of med school?
« on: December 27, 2007, 08:15:21 PM »
  UF, UM, FIU, and Loyola Chicago. Could graduate with $0 in debt at FIU hence the interest there. BTW, love those Tintin pics. Am a big fan myself. :)

Law School Admissions / Re: why law school instead of med school?
« on: December 27, 2007, 07:21:42 PM »
Hey all,
   I feel like I need to chime in here. My wife, parents and sister are all docs. My wife would be the best example, since she's finishing up this year. Her debt load is going to be about 140k upon graduation. Among her classmates the highest I've heard is 180 or 190 (but that may include debt from undergrad). 400k is seriously unheard of, while I suppose its possible. During residency, you can start making payments on the loans or you can pay after residency, they amount DOES NOT balloon to 400 or anything close. Depending on the private lender, the interest MAY accrue. I know this because this is what I've been researching for the past few weeks.

  Overall, I feel MD's are much better off in comparison, both financially and in terms of job security, and therefore the high tuitions are justified and med students don't mind. It doesn't really matter if you graduate from a prestigious school or state school, at the end of the day you can be doing your residency at the finest training program, prestige of school is no bar. It depends on your usmle scores and personality.

   Only place I guess prestige of school would matter is maybe if one's going into research etc. After residency, the absolute lowest they would earn would be in the 120k range. More than enough to make the loan payments.

  In law you could go to a decent T1 and be 150k in debt and very realistically be making much less than 100k (not everyone wants to or makes it to biglaw). That scenario is simply impossible in medicine. Heck if you decide on public interest or similar, I don't how you would begin to repay (yes I know LRAP, but I dont know how universal that is?).

  But at the end of the day it all boils down to interest and aptitude, I could never see myself doing what my wife does. And she could never see herself doing what I do now or may end up doing as a lawyer. Some like both, I guess there's the MD/JD option for them!

  Another thing I noticed in comparing the two, the MD application process seemed much harder than my application process.

Anyways...those are my two cents.

Edit: Also wanted to add, during residency the salary is usually between 40 and 50k, but one could almost double that by doing something known as "locum" or "moonlighting" where you work nights at different hospitals (schedule permitting). If someone does that, you could potentially pay off the loans even before you finish your residency.

Law School Admissions / Re: FEDEX SHIPPING - PO BOX?
« on: November 21, 2007, 11:05:45 AM »
Just use either #8549 (or whatever the p.o. box number is) or
ATTN: Recommendations (This is what LSAC told me to do).

I've sent it both ways and they were fine.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Cooley - ?
« on: November 13, 2007, 06:24:02 PM »
Ok, not trying to defend cooley or anything, luckily for me (and most people on this board), it would not be considered as an option.....

BUT, they are actually not that expensive, apparently if you get a 158+, you automatically get a 75% scholarship, and 100%  for 163+. So for many, many of us on this board, thats either free tuition or $20k for three years.

Yes, I know anyone on this board with a decent score will scoff at Cooley, but I could totally see someone who lives in Michigan or in the area with limited means get a legal education for very cheap.

All I'm saying is, why not cut them some slack because they maybe educating someone for free (or at a low cost) who has no other means of a legal education.

What that education is worth, I don't know. I understand the ridicule they attract from the bogus rankings etc, but the part about being extremely expensive doesn't really apply to most people (I'm assuming most people) on this board.

Thanks for the replies. All LSAC tables I found are the standard 25-75, unless I missed it.

I was just curious because I came accross U of Richond's site and they list the entire range. Thought it would be nice to see that for other's too, but I guess not!

FYI Here's University of Richmond's:

Undergraduate GPA:

    * 75% GPA - 3.72
    * Median - 3.50
    * 25% - 3.25
    * Range - 2.11-4.05

LSAT Score:

    * 75% LSAT Score - 164
    * Median - 161 (84th percentile)
    * 25% - 159
    * Range - 150-171

Law School Admissions / Where can I find the complete GPA/LSAT range......
« on: November 08, 2007, 09:28:46 PM »
Where can I find the complete GPA/LSAT range......not just the 25-75 percentile. Is Chiashu my best bet or is there some other place?

Thanks a lot.

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