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Depends on the ranking and the opportunity cost.

If I got a full ride at a tier 3 versus nothing at a tier 1, I would take the full ride, as long as the job opportunities out of that school were okay.

If job opportunities are not great, then I'd have to suck it up and pay out of my nose.  That's because I'm a foreign national and I wouldn't be able to survive if I didn't have a job - they'd deport me.  Besides, I will be paying more and my loans will be taken at a higher interest rate than almost everyone else I know. 

If I got a partial scholarship at a T2 and nothing at a T1, it would be a tough choice.  If the scholarship was substantial, I'd go for the money.  If it wasn't substantial (25% or less) and the T1 was a T14, I'd probably suck it up and pay the extra amount again.

But, in principle, I would take money over ranking.  If there was, say, a 15 spot gap (like maybe #60-#45) in the two schools and the lower ranked school gave me a decent amount of money, I'd take that without blinking.  And by "decent", I mean anything more than 10% of tuition. 

Your Tier 3 vs Tier 1 thing makes no sense. The Tier 1 school will almost always be far superior to the Tier 3 school that you are making a bad choice.

Anyway, I took a full ride at UIUC. In fact, I even pulled my apps out of some of the T14 I hadn't heard back from or was deferred/WL'd at. I had no desire to start my career being that far in debt or locking myself into Biglaw to pay off the student loans.

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Law School Applications / Re: Class/Income level
« on: April 22, 2006, 12:55:29 AM »
If someone told me they were middle class, and then I found out they made $450,000 a year, I would punch them in the face.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Housing for Illinois
« on: April 22, 2006, 12:48:13 AM »
I'm currently a 1L, will be moving there with 2 friends for 2L year. Basically, just stay away from most, if not all of, the undergrad housing. Lots of slum lords.

Lived by myself this year, and thought it was a great idea. Don't know how well I would have taken the strain of 1L year from roommates or on roommates.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Housing for Illinois
« on: April 21, 2006, 12:37:24 AM »
My apartment is a 3 bed/3 bath for $465 a month, furnished, all utilities included. Trust me, CU is cheap.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC with $15,000 vs. Boston U
« on: April 19, 2006, 12:29:14 AM »
Speaking of people on the street, BU is defintiely more nationally and internationally recognized than UIUC.

This could not be more incorrect.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC with 100% tuition or UT of A?
« on: April 10, 2006, 03:18:22 PM »
I am a 1L currently, so I don't really have that much knowledge of OCI. I've been told of course that all the big time Chicago firms will come down, but whether or not that is true remains to be seen (I believe it to be true, but how many people they take, I do not know).

Getting a summer job as a 1L is tough. There are limited options in the local area, most of which are taken by 2Ls which got shut out at OCI. I've been shut so far with above average credentials from jobs in the UC area and Peoria.

I've met a lot of alumni who treat the place like it is the best thing in the world. That seems to me to be the strongest aspect of the school. The school is trying to make this push to improve, and as far as faculty and students go, they have. However, none of that matters if job prospects don't mirror that, and thus far I don't know that they have. The 1L class is lightyears ahead of the 2L class in terms of academic qualifications (3 point higher LSAT median), so like I said before, if that means firms are willing to go deeper in the pool remains to be seen.

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Regarding summer employment, it is decided entirely on OCI. It is difficult to get a 1L summer job, but that is difficult everywhere. Getting a summer job as a 2L has little to do with the location or schools you are competing with (bear in mind that lots of U Chi and NUs are people that relocated here to go a higher ranked school and still want to end up in NY and take summers there).

The alumni network of Illinois is perhaps the strongest career aspect going for it.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tulane visit...
« on: April 10, 2006, 03:01:06 PM »
Did you wear swim trunks?  ???

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC with $15,000 vs. Boston U
« on: April 10, 2006, 02:54:48 PM »
Also, DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, trust anything you get from any career services office, especially starting salary. Pretty much every statistic you will get from any law school is some massaged data that will have no bearing on what actually happens.

Take it from a guy who was told a ton of *&^% during law school acceptance season and everything was basically a lie.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC with 100% tuition or UT of A?
« on: April 10, 2006, 02:50:07 PM »
One of those things you said is true.

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