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I went to law school PT while working FT for four years.  Trudging up and down the freeway; out late; up early; when not at work or in class briefing and studying; no weekends.  Ultimately worth it but it requires an almost inhuman level of dedication. The biggest downsides are very little free time and living in a perpetual state of exhaustion for weeks on end.  It's a freakin' killer...

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Two Q's for BarBri alums: What and When
« on: June 04, 2009, 11:40:45 AM »
Jacy, and other past bar takers

- 9 to 5? that seems like too short of time to spend studying because Barbri suggests studying 8 hours + lectures, and PMBR gave us a schedule to study until 10 p.m. Did you alter this, and did it work?

- How many essays should you do per subject during review? As many as assigned? or more?

Right now I am doing morning class then from 1-5 MBE, then Essays, and then writing flashcards from notes if until 11 p.m. Is this too much? It is the suggested schedule but seems like a good way to burn out.

I am studying for the CA exam, if anyone would like to send me some tips on schedules etc.  I would REALLY appreciate it. Oh and we only have like 10 days between Barbri ending and the bar. BARF.

Bar Bri alum and CA bar passer '06.  My schedule roughly mirrored yours.  I wasn't worried about burning out in two months, I was worried only about PASSING.  Three years law school v. two months bar prep? Big deal. The time goes by quickly and you'll be happy come the week of the exam that you invested it.  Keep up the suggested pace.  The only "shortcut" I took in the interest of saving time was outlining essays rather than writing them out.  My #1 tip would be to not overlook the performance exams.  Big points, but often given short shrift.  Practice, practice, practice.  The Bar Bri approach worked for me. Good luck.

...I was told by more than a few bar-takers that going to the classes is a waste of time if you can study on your own. For one, the classes are basically just the professor reading the outline to you, so if you know how to read then you can do it yourself.

As a Bar Bri "alumni" I would strongly disagree with this statement.  The bar exam is in many ways as much a test of your psychological resolve as it is a test of your legal knowledge.  Bar Bri devotes significant lecture time to this issue throughout the course and I found it to be more than worth the price of admission.  Another important facet of the lectures is that many professors discuss a bar-specific "approach," which differs from the law school exam approach.  You won't get that out of the outline.  To me it makes no sense to grind your way all the way through law school only to shortcut the most important test you'll ever take. Bar Bri doesn't get that $3k just 'cause it has the best outlines... 

Your life experience isn't worthless, but your opinion on the situation would be if you didn't have all the facts available to make a decision.  Another poster once mentioned a scholarship requirement of Top 10% to keep the money...if that was the requirement for ULV and McGeorge only required good standing, could you in good conscience recommend ULV particularly when the OP mentions wanting to limit debt?

Yes, because OP estimates he (or she) would come out of McGeorge w/ $130k in debt.  That's insane for a guy (or gal) who wants to work for the DA.  Even if he limped through his first year at ULV at 80% and lost his scholarship thereafter, he'd come out in a much better position financially.   

And I've lived it.  My advice is not worthless.   ;)

Family law attorney (and ULV grad!).  2-1/2 years.  Love it.  Wouldn't necessarily want to do anything else but, if I were to, it would be criminal.      

I practice law in the Inland Empire.  San Bernardino and Riverside counties are chock full of ULV grads, both bar and bench, including signficant representation in local government, i.e., there are way more than "a few" DDA's in both counties.  If your goal is to be a DDA in So Cal, particularly in the aforementioned counties, your choice is an easy one.  I spend 3-4 mornings a week in court.  As a courtroom lawyer, a "street lawyer," it's all about your skills.  Where you went to school matters not beyond the initial job interview. All law school talk fades away after a few years.  Good luck!  8)     

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Enjoying 1L. Am I Doing Something Wrong?
« on: October 20, 2008, 11:19:16 PM »
Going out a lot, studying during the weekdays, but not as much for a few classes.  Am I doing anything wrong?  I heard that 1L is supposed to be incredibly stressful and tough, but I'm not feeling much pressure at all.

Check in with us during exams...  ;)

Current Law Students / Re: RIP the best Bar/Bri lecturer of all time
« on: September 17, 2008, 10:54:23 PM »
Sad.  I loved that lecture.  I remember his discussion of the difference in the depth of knowledge required for the bar exam v. a law school exam.  He pounded into our heads the fact we only needed "surface knowledge" for the bar exam. I think he called it "Level A" understanding. He said you need Level C in law school and that Level B is where everyone gets themselves all bound up.  I honest to god took that with me into the bar exam and it proved to hold true...     

It is laughable to say I applied anything from law school here.

You learned a valuable lesson and you didn't even realize it.  The practice of law and the study of law are two different animals.  The mantra that "law school teaches you how to think like a lawyer" is true.  There's not a lot of practical application, largely because you spend the majority of your time in law school studying appellate cases and memorizing common law elements of causes of action.  Those of us in practice simply rely (at least for the most part) on the applicable code.  We keep busy trying to flush out facts (which are always given to you in law school.)  I have law clerks try to make fancy policy arguments to me all the time and I tell 'em the court just doesn't have time to hear that crap. 

And the above poster is correct re attitude.  If you really want to stand out in this business show up w/ a positive attitude and certainly don't be presumptuous enough to think you've got it all figured out.  None of us do.   

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