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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Section Stacking?
« on: April 16, 2007, 09:59:55 AM »
you have to realize that at a lot of schools, more than half the students are receiving scholarships the first year, so even if the scholarships students are spread evenly among the sections, if like most schools, only the top third of the class gets to keep it, a lot of them are going to lose their scholarships, its going to be hard to find a section that doesn't have a lot of scholarship studnets in it, so it may just seem like they are stacking them.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: depaul/kent/loyola roll call
« on: April 11, 2007, 05:10:24 PM »
Kent class of 2010!

I visited Loyola last summer and was so turned off by their admission staff and tour guide that I didn't even apply there. 

As far as DePaul vs. Kent goes, I think both are great schools.  I'd like to get into IP law and both have great IP programs, but I felt Kent's was a little better.  The career prospects from Kent also seemed a little better.  The average starting salary in private practice at DePaul was $76,452 (for 2005 grads) while at Kent it was $92,856 (for 2006 grads) which seemed like a significant difference to me.  Kent also had a slightly better bar passage rate.  While I try not to put too much emphasis on the rankings, DePaul's drop this year worried me a little too.  Outside of the raw numbers, I just felt more comfortable at Kent.  The facilities are nicer than DePaul's and I got a better feeling from the student body.  I also liked the area of town around Kent better than around DePaul.  I don't think you can go wrong with either school though.   

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Patent Bar over the summer?? Doable?
« on: April 09, 2007, 06:52:32 PM »
I'm also planning on taking the patent bar over the summer.  From what I can tell it should be possible to pass with three months of studying.  This seems to be the ideal time to take it because I dont' know when I'm ever going to have so much free time to study.  But does anyone know if taking the IP classes in law school is really that beneficial for passing the bar?  I've been looking around for the prep classes and I think I am going to do omniprep.  But I'm open to suggestions.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Keeping a Chicago-Kent scholarship
« on: April 08, 2007, 07:02:21 PM »
i asked this same question to their admission people and they told me a 3.25 was about top 30%, as far as how many people actually keep them, i don't know, but according to the ABA numbers, 49% of first years got scholarships (it actually says grants and scholarships but i'm not exactly sure what the difference is, if any), so if only the top %30 of the class can keep them, at the very least 40% of the people who recieved them must lose them (but you can still get half of the scholarship if you keep above a 3.00 which i beleive to be about top 50% of class)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American v. Case Western
« on: April 04, 2007, 10:28:36 AM »
Without knowing what kind of law you want to get into or where you want to practice, it seems as if the most important things to consider would be cost, starting salary, job placement, and ease of finding a job outside the schools region.  According to the new US News numbers (take them for what they are worth):

median starting salary: 85,000
east north central region: 60%
% employed after 9 months: 98.1%

median starting salary: 80,000
south atlantic region: 70%
% employed after 9 months: 97.8

Unfortunately, all the numbers are pretty much the same.  But if case is going to be significantly cheaper then I suppose I would recommend going there.  However, if you think you are going to be stuck in the region where you go to school, D.C. seems to be a much nicer place to live than Cleveland.  The two are so close statistically that it doesn't seem like you can go wrong either way, if you've visited, go with the one who got the better feel for. 

A couple other things to consider, over the past few years Case has been slightly dropping in the US News Rankings while American seems to be moving up (if rankings matter to you).  Check out their alumni base (how large, where located) also.  I'm also considering Case right now (it's either going to be case or kent for me) and I have to say that I haven't been impressed with their admissions people, not very helpful.  But I'm trying not to hold that against the school.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Case Western
« on: April 03, 2007, 11:30:07 AM »
any thoughts on Cleveland, is it as bad as people say?

Considering the fluctuation in the median salary of a school from year to year, should a $10,000 difference in median salary between schools impact my decision at all?  Right now I'm trying to decide between Case Western and Kent and both schools are pretty even (in my opinion) except for the fact that Case has a higher starting salary than Kent, but on the other hand Chicago is a much nicer place to live than Cleveland.  Any thoughts?

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Rankings History T100
« on: March 29, 2007, 02:35:07 PM »
US news didn't start ranking past 50 until 2003 (or their 2004 rankings) i think, here is what i could find online for the years up till 2007, they are just random websites so they may or may not be accurate, so take them for what they are worth.

2004       (scroll down about half way down the page)



I was looking at the 2007 US News stats and came across something that I was hoping someone could explain.  The attrition rates for first year students at Kent and Depaul are both over 8% while Loyola's is only 0.4%.  This seems to be a very big difference, any thoughts as to why?  It appears that 8% is very high, compared to any school except maybe cooley.

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