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Current Law Students / Re: My law school gripe!!
« on: October 22, 2007, 04:44:54 PM »
Thanks for actually commenting on my post.  I greatly appreciate it.  The 2Ls and 3Ls are actually on the same curve and I know that AT LEAST one of them is even on law review.  Yea, that seems fair!!  I understand that there might be students in my class that will make law review; however, a student who has been there for 2 years and is on the law review compared to a first semester student is unfair!!

wow this discussion no longer has any relevance to the OPs law school gripe...

Oh and to get back to the OP's post: you may wanna ask your administration if the 1Ls in your upper level class is graded on a separate curve from the upperclassmen.  If not I think it's sorta unfair.  If the 1Ls are graded separately from the 2L/3L group then it won't be too bad. 

I don't know if you already answered this... i don't really wanna look through all the posts on this thread for obvious reasons...

Sorry to hear about your situation dude I hope everything turns out ok...

Current Law Students / Re: Question concerning "But-for" Causation.
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:12:59 AM »
I think your hypo falls most closely to the case when neither would be the "but for" because either alone would have done it.  In this case, you know which one actually caused the death; therefore, you use the alternative standard- the "substantial factor" test. 

Be careful with that outline, it says that under the substantial factor test both are liable.  This is not necessarily the case.  The prime example being when a fire is already blazing and heading toward a house and you throw a match on the ground.  That match may lead to a fire, but it is not a substantial factor in the burning of the house.  Therefore, the defendant that threw the match is not liable.

In this case, the hypo you give seems to indicate that Defendant B polluted the water after the fish were already dead and therefore the pollution was not a substantial factor of the fishes death or plaintiff's injury.  It would be different if both polluted the lake and you were unsure which one caused it.  That would probably follow the (Summers v. Tice) example and both would be liable in so far as they could not prove that it wasn't their negligence.  If they could prove it, then they may not be held liable.  Say I drop a trace amount of acid in the lake; whereas, Exxon spills a massive amount of oil, it would be pretty easy in that case to show that my negligence was not a "substantial factor".

Current Law Students / Re: Attorney Job with best hours?
« on: October 10, 2007, 02:19:22 PM »
well, your son and daughter are going to take a few years to get to the point where your active involvement will have any serious impact. 

I am not trying to be mean here, but you might want to rethink this statement.  I would argue that the first five years of your child's life are the most formative.  Maybe from your perspective, this is the time when you can interact more normally on a social level; however, I would not adhere to this advice.  I know this is a challenge for all lawyers; however, believing these first couple of years are unimportant is a crucial mistake that can have many unforseen consequences.

Current Law Students / To Brief or Not to Brief
« on: October 08, 2007, 02:01:19 PM »
Hey guys,

I was wondering for classes in which you know that you are not going to get called on (alphabetic order), and where the professor is strictly by the elements of the law, does it really make sense to brief?  I understand the utility of briefing; however, if I can determine the issue, the rule of law and how it is applied, and my prof just goes by the elements, should I even brief?


Current Law Students / Re: Going to class as a 1L.
« on: October 08, 2007, 01:47:39 PM »
Not sure how your professors handle it, but I am fairly sure that if you don't show up for like 80+ percent of classes, then according to the ABA they must disenroll you.  Might want to be mindful of that. 

Current Law Students / Re: My law school gripe!!
« on: September 30, 2007, 11:47:58 AM »

Maybe, but shouldn't you have done more research on your school before enrolling?

Hey Brightline,

The problem is that this is the first year that the school did this.  The second and third year students in one of my classes are in fact graded on a curve for their year; however, they are on the class curve for that subject. 

I know it is not your post, but these part time day students automatically become full time in their second semester and take one class over the summer so that they can also graduate in 3 years.

Kind of a sham if you ask me.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful post.

Current Law Students / My law school gripe!!
« on: September 27, 2007, 07:38:23 AM »
Although I certainly have more than one gripe, I am looking for everyone's sympathy.  I know law students are very sympathetic to one another (just  a little sarcasm), but my school has instituted a part time day program.  This program reduces the classes by taking out 1 of the first year courses for these students.  In place of these students, we have 2nd and 3rd year students who take that class.  This is problematic for two primary reasons. 

First, I have heard from a number of the part time day students (out of 100- only 2-3 work) that they have too much time.  I can't even remember when I got 8 hours of sleep (okay the weekends, but you get my point).  In our other classes, we are of course going to be graded on the same curve as them.

Second, In the classes they are not there, they have been replaced by 2nd and 3rd year students.  Yes, this means that I will be on the same curve as these students. 

This is not only problematic because I hope to do well, as we all do; but, I have a full scholarship that will be lost if I do not attain a 3.0 GPA.  I think this is unfair, because this is a new program and I am sure it is a scheme for the all powerful US NEWS!! 

Anyway, I should probably do some work now, because I have to compete with these students that have way more time already. 

I appreciate your sympathies and your own gripes to make me feel better about mine.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L - Favorite and Least favorite Class?
« on: September 26, 2007, 08:09:25 PM »
Favorite to least:

1. Contracts
2. Torts
3. Civ Pro
4. Crim law
5. Legal writing (Is it really 2 credits??)

Current Law Students / Re: Converting LEEWS to mp3..........
« on: June 29, 2007, 07:36:39 AM »
I was wondering about the MP3 thing too.  It said something about being able to load them onto Itunes.  Not sure about the whole pool thing, since you constantly flip between pages and diagrams.  Good luck with it.


Current Law Students / Re: Wayne (50% tuition) v. MSU (Full ride)
« on: April 28, 2007, 09:04:24 PM »
Well, Gosh, now that Wayne got downgraded to T4 because of stupid f**ckhead dean and the morons in the career services office, I'd say MSU.

BUT Wayne is a better school. The only reason we're not ranked higher than MSU is because those dipshits didn't bother calling last year's graduating class to see if they got jobs. I am f**cking furious about that *&^%.

Detroit is a shithole, but East Lansing is too. If you want a higher chance of getting a job, I'd say go to Wayne.

Hey Lech,

I honestly don't think that MSU students will be at any serious disadvantage in terms of jobs.  Certainly, if you want to get into a downtown firm, you may benefit by being at Wayne.  However, I do not think that it any longer makes that much of a difference.  Furthermore, I think MSU is rising fast since DCL moved there and will continue to move up.  Either way, sorry about the ranking drop.  I did my undergrad and am finishing my grad degree at Wayne right now and very seriously contemplated Wayne and think it is a good school, so I hate to see it drop. I really wouldn't worry too much about the rank dropping, because employers in the area already know that Wayne is a good school.

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