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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: July 29, 2009, 09:18:16 PM »
"Dude, the MBE is actually easier than the BarBri and PMBR practice questions"

NO THE F&CK IT WASN'T!

The questions weren't as convoluted as BarBri or PMBR, in fact they were more straight-forward, but them suckers were different than anything BarBri had tested me on.

Thank God and 4 white folks, that I'm done!

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: July 18, 2009, 05:26:24 PM »
Anybody else take the KAPLAN 3-Day and feel like you've just been intellectually violated and taken advantage of?

Cuz I sure do.

Is KAPLAN supposed to be more difficult than the actual exam?

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Political Science is worthless without Graduate School.

You are forced to either get an MPA or a JD because Poli Sci by itself teaches you nothing, except the theory of Government systems.

Criminal Justice doesn't prepare you for Contracts, Property, or Civil Procedure in any fashion.

Stick with a Business-related major. If Law School doesn't pan out for you, you can use that knowledge and degree to get a job in a variety of other fields without being pigeon-holed into one field.

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 14, 2009, 12:14:38 PM »

I would add spend your 3rd year networking hardcore if you got dumped from your 2L summer SA job. I had several open offers coming out of my last semester all from contacts and all guaranteed jobs if I just said the word. These ranged from being brought in by a managing partner at a big firm in town to work directly under him in his department to clerking for a judge. Who you know can beat just about everything. But it takes TIME and TRUST before you can start calling in favors so start as soon as you get back to school by getting involved in the legal community outside of law schools. Leave the clubs at the school for people who think mass mailing is a good way to find a job. Get out and make your rep in the legal community during your third year and you will have lots of people on the inside to help you find something.

I agree, I remember when I started 3L year. It was real depressing. I knew some many people who were smart, sociable, good grades and even PUBLISHED, that came back to school with no offer in hand and had to enter the rat race again. Career Services was absolutely  NO HELP because they recognized that *&^% was hitting the fan and that there was nothing they could do about it.

Of course, they gave the obligatory e-mails "network and make phone calls, join local bar associations to meet more lawyers." and all that crap, but there really wasn't much they could do because the knew that the writing was on the wall that as a new lawyer or a law student you were in one of two categories:

Unemployed

or

About to be unemployed.

and this isn't even counting all the "Deferred start dates" and crap.

Sands:

If you could redo your 1st 6 months as a 1st year associate, what would you do different?

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 13, 2009, 05:35:05 PM »


Sands:

When your first firm gave you the Axe, did they do it like in Office Space, or did they leave you a stickey note on your computer and deactivate your fob?


Also, how many SA's at your firm do you think are gonna get No-offered this summer?

I tried to come into work one day and found all my poo outside on the sidewalk.  Just kidding.  :D

Actually, what had happened was...As with many other firms, the rumors and speculation were buzzing long before we got any official word.  Everybody was walking on pins and needles for months.  I officially found out by opening up the Wall Street Journal and reading a headline that our firm was giving folks the axe.  That forced the partners' hand to come clean and so then they broke their silence and gave people official notice.

Re your second question - that is the million dollar question that everybody has been wondering, especially the summer associates.  Wish I knew but I don't make those decisions so I'd hate to speculate and freak people out anymore than they already are.  I can tell you that the morale among the summers is down. They all pretty much expect to get axed regardless of whether this is true or not.


So what advice would you give to a SA that got no-offered and is forced into 3L OCI.

It used to be that only "drunk idiots who did crappy work" got no-offered, but now it is a likely possibility that good SA's will get the axe. Do you think they'll still have that stigma of "what was wrong with you?" surrounding them when they enter the Job hunt/rat race again?

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 12, 2009, 03:47:50 PM »
You guys are the ones insisting on living in NYC instead of Dallas, Denver, Kansas CIty, Houston, etc. Its hot, but you can start at NYC market in Dallas and have a ridiculously low cost of living...

Durden once again speaks the truth.

If these market rates are based on cost of living for their respective cities, then one of 2 things needs to happen - other markets need to be starting much lower than New York since their cost of living is, accordingly, lower than New York

or

Keep everybody where they are and move the New York associates much higher.

Or..or..or...

NYC Associates learn to live a happier life with $65k take-home pay.

/hating

such a hater



Yes but its harder to be smug about yourself and your big law job if you donít work in SF or NYC. Thatís a lot of looking down your nose you give up if you move to a mid market. Its an intangable perk. That alone is worth its weight in gold on law school discussion boards.  :P

Until you get layed off. . .

But none of this will matter in 5-10 years because law firms will EVENTUALLY go up to 190k and Law students will completely forget about the 6000 jobs that were lost and offers rescinded. Just like in 2001, and just like in the early 90's.

History has a way of always repeating itself.

Sands:

When your first firm gave you the Axe, did they do it like in Office Space, or did they leave you a stickey note on your computer and deactivate your fob?


Also, how many SA's at your firm do you think are gonna get No-offered this summer?

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 11, 2009, 11:23:13 PM »
Durden once again speaks the truth.

If these market rates are based on cost of living for their respective cities, then one of 2 things needs to happen - other markets need to be starting much lower than New York since their cost of living is, accordingly, lower than New York

or

Keep everybody where they are and move the New York associates much higher.

Or..or..or...

NYC Associates learn to live a happier life with $65k take-home pay.

/hating

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 10, 2009, 03:17:49 PM »
Which, sad to say, is a joke in NY.  Honestly if the going market rate for associates in other cities is in the $120k to $145k range, then New York needs to be at about $190k.  Associates in other markets, even making less money, are still taking home more money than are associates in New York.

Call me a waaaaaaaambulance!

Yer makin' $160k, you don't need another $30k to do the same amount of work. I WISH my firm was gonna start me off at $160, 145, hell, even $120 would be great for a single man like myself with no kids, no mortgage and just student loans.

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General Board / Re: Jr. BigLaw Associate in NY Taking Questions
« on: July 10, 2009, 02:40:16 PM »

before I answer that - Market in Colorado is $120,000/yr???!?!?!?!?!?!!  Say what!?  That's better than Kansas City!  Do you know how far that would go in Colorado. Your rent in CO is what, 6-700 a month?  Wow. I did not know that market was that high there.

Cost of Living in Colorado is fairly high compared to other States. Granted, it ain't no $2k/mo like Manhattan or close to being as expensive as Miami or Cali, but it is still considerable.

$120k in the south or midwest would carry a person further than in Colorado.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: July 08, 2009, 05:36:36 PM »
Am I the only one who is taking the Exam in a state that doesn't do MPT?

My state has particular State law issues

Day 1
Domestic Relations
UCC
Insurance

Day 2
State and Federal Civil Procedure
Wills, Trusts, and Estates
Corporations and Agency

Day 3
MBE

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