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Law School Admissions / Re: GW Law 1L ... taking questions
« on: January 03, 2009, 01:20:45 PM »
Are there quite a few students at GW going into patent law? I plan to go into patent law (Electrical Engineering undergrad), so would this "diversity" advantage actually be a disadvantage at GW?

Thanks in advance.

Due to the large size of the school, and the fact that GW is known for patent law, there's a lot of IP/patent law students.  However, it's not everyone, and this is still an advantage.  Remember you are competiting with different schools for jobs, not just your classmates.  The strength of the program at GW means there's a lot of IP alum - this will only help you.  From what I hear from the career center, students with science backgrounds concentrating in IP still have a leg up in the job search.

Very true.  Almost all of last year's 1Ls who got summer law firm jobs were in this category according to the CDO.  Also, many firms have separate IP-only interview schedules during OCI in addition to their general interview schedule.  I've heard that IP people get firm jobs no matter where they are ranked in the class.  Not sure if its true but considering how highly GW IP is regarded, I wouldn't be shocked if it was.

Job Search / Re: Rescinding Offers
« on: October 23, 2008, 11:20:16 AM »
Number of students seeking biglaw and number qualified and worth a firm competing for are two totally different things. Just because someone at Cooley wants biglaw, doesn't mean they will get it.  Good economy or not.

Also, with regards to "when every firm does something it isn't scrutinized as much," while I agree with that statement, it has still yet to be shown that many firms are rescinding offers.  There are rumors of it, but nobody has yet to mention a firm doing it by name and it's been nothing more than the usual gossip.

Obviously alot of people who want biglaw aren't qualified, but I think its likely that there are more people out there that could bring something to the table in a big law firm (either now or in the future) than people who get biglaw jobs.  If not, I'd still say there is a mass of students out there who really are not all that distinguishable from one another.  Some will get biglaw and some will not.  I agree with your statement to an extent, but I find it hard to believe that there are exactly as many qualified students out there as open SA positions, unless you define qualified students by the fact that they landed SA positions.  Whichever way you slice it, I think demand (even quality demand) will always outpace supply and that tends to give the firms power (guess I did learn something in antitrust).

You are obviously right about no hard proof on the rescinding of offers.  I don't really know if/when we would get such proof though.  I'd say ATL info is suspect and I really don't see the mainstream media getting interested in the plight of the law student/lawyer anytime soon so I guess we are somewhat stuck with rumor mill at the moment. 

Job Search / Re: Rescinding Offers
« on: October 23, 2008, 07:55:01 AM »
I beg to differ.  You make it seem like firms always have the edge.  Firms are fighting for talent, just like candidates are fighting for great firms. 

overly simplistic reason firms have the edge:  number of students seeking biglaw >>>>> number of available biglaw positions

especially with a volative and generally pessimistic economic outlook

Job Search / Re: Rescinding Offers
« on: October 23, 2008, 07:48:27 AM »
The only way firms would get slammed for revoking acceptances is if there were only one or two that did it.  If one firm took the first step and then others followed, it would probably be much less of a big deal if for no other reason than "everyone else is doing it."  Kind of like the layoffs.  I think Cadwalader was one of the first and they got slammed, but now it seems like every week there is a new firm laying off people and it does not get nearly as much publicity.  I guess it is somewhat of a "protection in numbers" effect.   

Job Search / Re: Rescinding Offers
« on: October 23, 2008, 06:18:38 AM »
Plus, in all honesty, it would be better to have an offer rescinded than to go through the summer only to get no-offered.

Aside from the $20,000+ you would take home after taxes (assuming you didnt get a comparable job) this is most definitely true

Job Search / Re: Rescinding Offers
« on: October 23, 2008, 06:15:18 AM »
Not surprised.  I said that this would start happening about a month ago.  Timing is a little off but I think it was pretty clear this would be the next step as the economy worsened.  Wonder if it has anything to do with clearing a spot or two for Harvard OCI.  

I also think that, if the economy continues to plummet at light speed, there could be at least a few firms that cut lose 2Ls that have already accepted offers.  I talked to a few different people on my firm's hiring committee about this before I accepted.  They said it would never happen.  Not sure I feel 100% reassured by that though.

Job Search / Re: How's the job search going?
« on: October 07, 2008, 01:35:30 PM »
6 callbacks - 4 offers - accepting my top choice today. 

The two no-offers were both from different offices of the same firm.  Ironically they were by far my two best "performances" since I was familiar with the people at the firm beforehand.  One of the associates later told me that they were severely reducing their summer program for the upcoming summer so who knows whether that played into it.

The sense I get from people at my T20 is that things are about the same as usual.  People outside the top 35% (including me) are getting biglaw jobs.  As to whether they are outliers or representative of the whole I have no clue.  I know a few people inside the top 15% with LR that are struggling but again, who knows whether they are outliers or not. 

I'm kind of surprised to hear about the struggles of others as I was way outside the supposed biglaw cutoff at my school without anything interesting on my resume and no connections and still made out really well in comparison to what I had been told to expect. 

Job Search / Re: What is my best option at this point?
« on: October 04, 2008, 09:55:25 AM »
1.  Get "Guerrilla Tactics" by Walton.  Look at the chapter entitled "Where do great jobs come from?"  Basically, you need to start networking like crazy.  Use alumni, try to go to CLEs, attend Bar Association events, set up informational interviews.  Even though you're at a T2, you're on the Review.  If you try hard enough, you will get a job.

This is the best advice that nobody will take on this baord.

I'll second (or third) this.  Coming from a T25 right around the median without any skills boards, any journal, and any connections, I had no business sniffing big law next year.  I read the book, followed the suggestions, and got a bunch of offers from V10-V40 firms.  I'm convinced the book is the only thing that prevented me from being on the outside looking in at biglaw next summer.  I don't know why people consistently refuse to even glance at the book.....

According to a few upperclassmen (take this for what its worth), a 3.6 is roughly the cut off for the top 15%. I also know that a 3.43 fell within the top 35% fall semester while a 3.33 did not...thats all I got

Current Law Students / Re: Getting a CPA license after law school
« on: May 18, 2007, 08:20:19 AM »
I just had to laugh as I read this post.  I'm attending GW next year and am in pretty much the same position with the same ambitions as the OP.  Good Luck. 

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