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Job Search / Re: Loyola patent program
« on: June 05, 2009, 10:27:52 AM »
I went to it last year.  I got six interviews and three waitlists.  I didn't pick up any of the waitlist interviews, but a good portion of people picked up at least one of their waitlists.  I also did not get a job from the program, but a few people I met there got jobs out of it.  But, these people probably would have gotten offers somewhere anyway, because they were at the top of their class. 

I would say that it's impossible to know whether it is a worthwhile program for any individual person.  Think of it as an OCI, specifically for IP people.  I'm sure you've heard stories of people having 10+ interviews at OCI and getting zero call-backs.  This could happen to you.  On the other hand, you might be the person who gets one interview, and ends up getting a job out of it. 

I think the odds are fairly high, if you're a rising 2L with a decent technical background, that you'll get at least one interview.  But, there's a cost-benefit analysis that you have to do, and the "benefit" part is pretty hard to quantify. 

The way it works is that there are several hundred, or even close to 1000 rising 2Ls and 3Ls walking around this hotel, from room-to-room.  The interviews are 20 minutes, like most OCIs, except a lot of the firms are there for 2 entire days.  That means that they're probably interviewing 20-30 or more people.  Most of these firms will give call-backs to one or 2, or maybe zero people from this fair.  So, even if you have a really good resume, and interview really well, the odds are pretty low that you'll get a call-back.  You have to remember that most of these firms do regular OCIs and also may take interest in applicants who applied directly to the firm.  So, let's say you've got a 1/20 chance of getting a callback on any given interview.  Maybe you have six interviews.  So, maybe that means you've got a 3/10 chance of getting a callback if you go to the program.  Meanwhile, you've got to spend close to $1000 just to go, depending on how far away you live, and the cost of plane tickets.  So, is it worth it?  If that 3/10 chance of getting a callback turns into a job, then yes.  But in this economy, what are the actual odds of getting a callback or of a callback turning into a job?  Impossible to know, but probably pretty bad, and probably even worse than the numbers I just threw out there.  On the other hand, in this economy, can you really afford to not pursue every potential avenue of employment?

Personally, I will only go back this year if I get 7 interviews.  Of course, as a rising 3L, there are far fewer firms willing to even look at my resume.

Job Search / Re: Dinner Interviews - Order a drink?
« on: October 15, 2008, 07:00:58 PM »
Yeah... I was kidding about complaining about the service.  Thanks for the help!

Job Search / Dinner Interviews - Order a drink?
« on: October 15, 2008, 04:03:26 PM »
Is it appropriate to order/not order a drink if your interviewer does/does not?

Also, this is probably a stupid question, but should I even pretend like I'm going to split the cost?  Or should I not even pay attention to the bill when it comes?  How do you handle that?

What do you do during awkward silences?  Complain about the service?

Current Law Students / Re: Law Review Write-On Competition
« on: April 20, 2008, 03:57:41 PM »
I didn't know that Dwight Schrute opined on this board.

 Seriously, people on here are acting like I am soliciting someone to perform a hit for me.  I plan on writing the paper but I just want help with editing. 

I spent 3x as much time editing my LR write-on than I did doing the initial writing.  The hardest part is adequately addressing all of the issues in a limited amount of space, while not screwing up any citations.  Finding the issues and rambling about them is easy. 

Instead of qualifying your original statement, or making excuses, why don't you accept/admit that you were wrong?  Just say: "I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was cheating.  Thanks for pointing that out before I sacrificed my academic integrity."

If you want help on how get better at legal writing, look at your legal writing book, or buy one from Amazon. 

Current Law Students / Re: Law Review Write-On Competition
« on: April 19, 2008, 07:23:10 PM »
School does not prohibit help. 
I find that hard to believe.  In fact, I'm postive it's not true.  Write your own paper.  Personally, I'd rather not make it, knowing I was honest and tried my best than make it knowing someone else helped me. 

The responsibilities are basically indistinguishable from Law Review.  It's the only secondary journal, and you still have to do the same stuff as LR (write a note, cite check, etc.) 

The moot court is the Jessup Moot court... so not the main National Moot Court.  It would involve writing a 50 page brief with four other people during the Fall semester, and then traveling to compete during Spring.

So, in terms of resume-building value, would the journal be better?  Or the Jessup Moot Court?  Or are both equally meaningless to employers at Fall OCI?

Also, is it even realistic to think that I could do both, in terms of time requirements?

I wrote on to my school's only secondary journal, and there is a good chance that I could make it onto a five person moot court team.  It sounds like both journal and moot court tend to be pretty time consuming, but also look good on resumes.  Is it really advantageous to do both?  Or should I just pick one or the other?  If I should pick one, which looks better?  (Obviously I'm not considering either for the make-myself-a-better-person factor.  I just want to do the least amount of work for the maximum possible career benefits. ;))

Job Search / Re: funding sources for unpaid summer?
« on: March 28, 2008, 05:55:31 PM »
5% is a gigantic origination fee.
Yeah... I thought so too.  If credit cards had deferral periods, I'd be better off doing that.  I'm not sure what the current index is, but I think it's around 2.5% or something.  So, 4.9 + 2.5 is 7.4%, plus 5% origination fee, means I'd be paying 12.4% for the first year.  That's f-ing rediculous. 

Job Search / Re: funding sources for unpaid summer?
« on: March 28, 2008, 11:22:10 AM »
I am pretty sure that offers private summer internship loans to law students.  That way you only need to take out enough to get you through the summer living frugally.  Better than paying summer school tuition and balancing class and your summer employment and then graduating off-cycle. 
I applied with for a summer internship loan, just to see how much it would cost.  The interest rate okay I guess, considering it's a private loan.  It's 4.9% + Current Index.  Then, in the Master Promissary Note, they say that there is an origination fee, but they won't tell me what it is until after I accept the loan and they give me the money.  So, obviously I'm not going to get a loan without knowing how much it costs right?  After waiting on hold for 45 mins., I finally was able to get them to tell me that the origination fee is 5% of the loan amount.  Doesn't that ssem a little high?  Is it weird that they were trying to hide the amount of this fee?  Now, I'm really doubting if they are the way to go.  Does anyone have suggestions for other private lenders? 

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