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Where should I go next fall? / Re: JD or PhD in Biology
« on: December 16, 2009, 02:11:57 AM »
I should also add that the people who keep b*tching about their science jobs are experiencing the same problems in EVERY profession.  Reaching the top of any profession is not easy.  Plenty of lawyers can do well in their first several years and then find they can never make partner.  In science, it may indeed be more difficult.  But if you have that natural ability in the sciences, you really should stay with it.  Science and technology are the fields that truly advance mankind.  Other areas are important but their importance is always in the shadow of what science and technology bring to the table.

another know it all kid.

yawn.

Check back with me in 10 years, kid.



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Pre-Law in high school / Re: Considering Law School
« on: December 07, 2009, 06:21:33 AM »
take it from me, as a lawyer, I say this: do not go to law school. It is totally overcrowded with far far more law school grads than jobs.

The job and salary figures given out by the law schools and the NALP are fake.

The law school industry is a 3 billion dollar a year industry designed in put people into debt with little hope of making a living for the most part.


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Pre-Law in high school / Re: DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL!!!
« on: December 07, 2009, 06:18:58 AM »
the original poster is correct. Law is a hopelessly overcrowded field. I say this as a lawyer, one who barely makes a living at it.

Most law school grads have to get out of the legal profession entirely because they cannot make a living at it.

the statistics on jobs and salaries are inflated and faked by the law schools and the NALP.


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Studying for the LSAT / B4 taking the LSAT, ya might wanna read this
« on: September 08, 2009, 01:44:55 PM »
from http://bigdebtsmalllaw.wordpress.com/


We here at Big Debt received the following email this morning from The Posse List, an online tipsheet that forwards upcoming doc review gig information to desperate ....lawyers trying to scrounge out a living. Or should we write, used to forward such information. Past tense is appropriate in many conversations about the law, one quickly finds. Like a relative with Stage IV cancer, the legal industry is essentially a dead man walking, with most lawyers already earning less than plumbers, garbage collectors, and truckers (and that’s assuming you can find paying work at all, which is the biggest of ifs.)

 Lately the projects have been few and far between, thanks to the ABA (American Biglaw Association) outsourcing domestic legal work to India. (The most recent project advertised was by an agency called Juristaff. This project required NY bar admission, 6-12 months electronic discovery experience, featured mandatory 60 hour weeks, and paid a whopping $23 an hour with no time and a half for overtime). Needless to say, the project was fully staffed within 45 minutes. Yet despite this glutinous saturation NY State is considering the addition of three additional taxpayer-funded law schools!

 But back to this morning’s email:

 The Posse List New York — Pro Bono Opportunities

New York Posse List Members:

 Interested in helping underserved New Yorkers who cannot afford legal representation?

    Want to maintain and improve your skills and acquire new skills?   * Need Free CLE credit? 

 There are many reasons for contract attorneys to do pro bono and there are many pro bono opportunities in New York. Clearly there is a serious need for pro bono legal services in New York. In a recent report, the Office of NY’s Deputy Chief Administrative Judge for Justice Initiatives stated that the supply of publicly funded legal aid and pro bono services is “entirely inadequate” to meet the need. In addition to the obvious need, pro bono work is also a great opportunity for contract attorneys to maintain and improve their skills & acquire new skills, work directly with clients, network and get free CLE credit.  (CLE credit is available for pro bono work in NY State).

This email highlights pro bono resources, as well as opportunities that may be well-suited for contract attorneys who have time off between projects or otherwise (some pro bono work may not be appropriate because of time-commitment, requirements of particular pro bono legal service providers).

Note that patience is required for finding the right pro bono opportunity.  The need is great but some legal services organizations that put together pro bono work are understaffed in their pro bono programs and swamped with volunteers because of the state of the economy.  Persistent matters and the right opportunity will happen!  "

Hilarious, ain’t it? “Swamped with volunteers!” When’s the last time you heard of a pro-bono plumber, or a pro bono auto mechanic? Both these services are more expensive per hour than the average ....lawyer, but their trade organizations don’t seem eager to replace your faucets or spark plugs for free, do they? Instead, these folks realize that when a large section of a trade decide to work for free, it grossly devalues the service and makes it that much harder for others to earn a living. Besides, most of the lawyers doing pro bono are probably poorer than those they purport to assist!

“Pro Bono” work is little more than a relic from the days when being a lawyers was an elite and lucrative profession, not a race-to-the-bottom industry full of overpriced gutter schools and Biglaw cabals who send work offshore to increase their already repulsive profit margins.

What does it tell you about the state of the legal industry that people clamoring to work for free can’t even find the “opportunity” they desire? Who would spend 100 K+ and three miserable years of their life to enter an industry “swamped” with hordes of people just dying to work for nothing?

 Here’s a novel idea: how about pro-bono law school administrators, or pro bono law professors? Surely given their obscene salaries and benefits that would make a CEO blush, these folks could do a couple years on the house and donate their earnings to scholarship funds, no?



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Do you know anything about Get Prepped!?  I am planning on taking a test prep course and am not sure which one to take. 

before you start studying for the LSAT you should consider researching whether law school is worth attending. You see, the salary and employment statistics for law school graduates are fake, false, bogus, etc.

Google up some info on this matter and you will see I am right.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Just took first practice test.... EEK!!!
« on: August 05, 2009, 05:44:52 PM »
do not go to law school unless you can get admitted to a top 20 law school or unless your dad/mom is a lawyer and will train you

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Is it really worth it?
« on: July 15, 2009, 10:16:00 AM »
Top 10 law schools are worth it.

Anything outside top 20 is not. Take it from a lawyer who do not go to a top school

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Law School Applications / Re: BEWARE THE LAW SCHOOL SCAM, LEMMINGS!
« on: June 14, 2009, 02:21:08 PM »
people go to law school expecting to be able to pay their BILLS.

The sales propaganda put out by the legal education industry assures the law school applicants that unemployment and underemployment is very low and that income is high. LIES!


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Law School Applications / Re: BEWARE THE LAW SCHOOL SCAM, LEMMINGS!
« on: June 14, 2009, 01:18:10 PM »
we are not talking GUARANTEES here. But half the people who have JDs are not working in the legal profession. 7 years of higher education, and including all the hoops you have to jump through to get a license, and then so many either cannot find law jobs or cannot keep them that they have to go into some other field? That is a very high risk gamble. You have to bet 3 years of your life, 3 years of hard work (most of which has little to do with actual practice (but I guess you would not know that, not being a lawyer)), and then the hoops, and then 6 figure debt or near it, all for a 50 percent chance of success?

RISKY GAMBLE! Law school is not self improvement, but instead a high risk gamble, a gamble that eats up 3 years of your life. Why not just go to vegas and get it over with quickly?




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