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Where do you want to work/after school? If it is Louisiana, go to LSU or Southern. But you need to figure out where you want to be for the next decade or so

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Northeastern vs. American WCL
« on: July 25, 2013, 09:39:34 AM »
Bro/sis,

If you wanna live in Boston, do not go to WCL. Forget the rankings, they are pointless when you go past the top 20 schools or so. Nobody from Boston will be more impressed with a JD from WCL than a JD from Northeastern. Northeastern will allow you to intern in Boston, network in Boston, and most importantly live in Boston. I'd tell you to take Suffolk over WCL if you wanted to work in Boston.

Also, if you want to go to a higher ranked school, forget the transfer nonsense. Retake the LSAT if that's what you want. I heard an analogy the other day with the transfer idea and I thought it was clever. Hoping to transfer to a better school is like going on a less fun roller coaster and hoping to jump onto the more fun roller coaster when it passes by; there's a slight chance it will work. Retaking the LSAT is like getting out of line for the less fun coaster and waiting in line for the more fun coaster.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYLS or Retake??
« on: May 31, 2013, 04:52:58 PM »
Legend offers great advice on this site and he is a helpful poster; take what he says with more than a grain of salt. I wanted to add on to what I said earlier. I don't want to make it sound like I'm saying that Rutgers, St. John's, etc. are better schools because they are ranked higher by USNWR. Legend is right, outside the t14 schools or so, rankings really don't matter. The rankings inside the top 14 are somewhat pointless as well, as a JD from UVA isn't going to open more doors than a JD from Cornell. The rankings for the top 3 schools, Yale Harvard and Stanford, are pretty much the only USNWR rankings that matter. But what I've heard from people in the legal field is that there is such a thing as "local rankings." For example, if you wanted to work and live in Philadelphia, you should figure out what schools give you the best chance of doing that. UPenn is obviously the #1, followed by Temple, Villanova, Rutgers-Camden, Drexel, and Widener. So this is why it is vital to recognize what geographic location you'd like to live in. You obviously seem to be leaning on NYLS, but if you want to live in New Jersey, Rutgers-Newark or Camden would be a better choice. If it is NYC where you'd like to be, then NYLS would be an option.

I urge you to ignore the rankings published by USNWR, but to research which schools give you the best employment options in the area you'd like to live. I know it's easy to fall into the trap of placing emphasis on a school's ranking, but they really are pointless. If you wanted to work in NYC, going to Pepperdine University in California (just a random thought) because it is a Tier 1 school rather than NYLS would be a terrible decision. BUT, if you have the ability to attend a school that places better into your desired market, that is the better route to take. For what it's worth, I chose to not attend a Tier 1 school in another state and to go to a Tier 2/3 school in my desired market. For the financial aspect of your decision, I trust that you've done the research on how big of an investment law school is.

Once again, good luck

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYLS or Retake??
« on: May 30, 2013, 04:17:51 PM »
Hi there, take my 0L advice with a grain of salt. I do not know you and what your desires in life are, but I'm willing to give you my input on your situation. I think you should retake. You have a pretty high GPA and you should not waste it on a 149 and NYLS. You say you were disappointed in your LSAT score and my question to you is then, why would you accept the low score?

Another factor you need to analyze is what you want to do with your life/legal career. Do you want to live in New York? If not, then absolutely do not go to NYLS. How will you be financing your education? If you will accumulating a large debt at NYLS, then you should absolutely retake. If you can bring your LSAT score up a couple of points, just a couple, your options will be very different/better, especially with that GPA.

You mentioned the possibility of attending Rutgers. If you raised your LSAT to the high 150s, you could be looking at some significant money from a school like Rutgers, Seton Hall, or St. Johns (I'm merely mentioning them because they are in the NYC area). It is so important to limit your debt if you are attending a TT/TTT/TTTT school.

So in short, if you feel that your LSAT score was a disappointment, you should give it another go. If you feel you can do better, then retake. Good luck to you.


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I understand about the retaking/waiting thing; I was literally about to withdraw and retake until I got a named scholarship at a school which guaranteed my scholarship for all 3 years and I couldn't pass it up. If you look at my posts, I am in your same shoes; my parents are willing to pay for school, etc. My parents were so upset when I told them I was thinking about waiting a year, and I understand that when your parents are financing it, their input weighs a lot more than anonymous posters on the internet.

With that being said, if you're not willing to retake, I'd choose Suffolk over Northeastern in your case. Northeastern at sticker is just a waste of your parents money, and at least you're not spending a ton at Suffolk. (you got a scholarship right?) Employment data is pretty similar at the two..so don't waste the money to attend the higher ranked school.

I wouldn't go to law school hoping to transfer out. If that's your plan, you're better off waiting a year and retaking the LSAT. Curves and grading in law school make it hard to assume how well you will do. Meanwhile, you literally control your LSAT score. I wouldn't take the "transfer-out" gamble. Retake if you want to go to a better school.

In the end though, the decision is up to you. Go to a school that you feel will get you to where you want to be. It sounds like you are hesitant about going to Suffolk/Northeastern even without the debt, so that should be a red flag. Whatever you decide, go with it 100%. If I were you, my choices would be A) Suffolk B)Seton Hall C) Retake. Do not go to law school hoping to transfer. Good luck to you

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Just looked at your post on TLS to get more info. With your numbers, you should have better offers. You applied very late and that probably affected your results. Completely anecdotal, but know of somebody who had very similar numbers to you, but they applied very, very early and was admitted to a T6 and nearly every school in the top 30. Granted, the T6 was at sticker but it sounds like you can afford to go to a better school if your parents are supporting you. Will they offer to pay for your education if you're going to a highly ranked school? If so, it might be worth it to try and see if BC/BU are possible or a better regional than Seton Hall.

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I'm gonna ask you the same things they asked you over on TLS. Do you want to live in Boston, what kind of work, etc..
If you want to live/work in Boston, cross out Seton Hall. Don't think too hard on how it's ranked "higher" than Suffolk and Northeastern. You have a way better shot of landing a job in Boston with Suffolk or Northeastern than at Seton Hall.

Take my advice with a grain of salt..I'm not even in law school, just on 0L but I've done so much research on this in the past year. Just be realistic with your goals. Good luck

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where should I go?
« on: February 20, 2013, 08:22:34 PM »
Sorry to kickstart this thread again, but just wanted to give an update. I've narrowed my choices down from the original list. Good news is...I got accepted to every school. Bad news is...I got accepted to every school. Syracuse offered me 30k a year which made them a huge contender and Drexel offered me 20k a year. My top 3 are Syracuse, Drexel, and Widener. Duquesne and Baltimore made the shortlist but my enrollment there is a very slight possibility. I've withdrawn from Suffolk, Maine, and New Hampshire.
I visited Syracuse and I loved the school. I just don't like where the school is located however. I wouldn't want to live in upstate New York; my family is in PA and I'm more comfortable in that general area. But, I have read that Syracuse grads enjoy a bit of mobility in the mid-atlantic region so I've kept that in mind.
I haven't visited Drexel yet but I like where it is located. I love Philly and I've got family nearby. I've spent my summers on the Jersey Shore and it just seems like a place where I'd like to go to school and possibly live. I'm visiting the school in March and hopefully my visit will clear some things up.
Widener PA is my hometown school. I could commute there and it's where I grew up. I visited the school in January and I got a positive vibe from it. But, it is Widener and I know it doesn't allow me much flexibility in employment prospects.
What are your thoughts? Would it be unreasonable for me to attend Syracuse even though I don't like it's location?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where should I go?
« on: January 11, 2013, 03:21:56 PM »
Thanks for the advice, it means a lot. Like I said before, Big Law was never an intention of mine. If it was something I wanted, I would have taken the LSAT again and shot for a more prestigious school. Location has become a major factor in my decision. Like you guys said, where I ended up going to school will most likely be where I end up living/working for a duration of my life. Living in PA is not a HUGE priority to me. It's just a mere coincidence that both my full tuition schollys are from Duquesne and Widener PA. New England is the most appealing to me, followed by MD, then PA. I went to undergrad in MD and since I've lived in PA, it will remain an area that I wouldn't mind returning to. I just heard today that UBaltimore is giving me some $, not full, but any saving helps. But their condition is keeping a 3.15 GPA, which sounds ridiculously high (my UG condition for my scholly was keeping a 3.0) Widener's condition is keeping a 3.0 and I can't find anywhere in the letter or online what Duquesne's requirements are. Like you guys have said, the requirements are something to consider as well. If I were to attend Widener based on the scholarship, and then for whatever reason lose the scholarship, would I be happy to still go there? I think that will be my biggest factor.
Thanks for the advice, and if you have any more, I'd be thankful to hear it. Nobody in my family is from the legal field and it's nice to get some sound advice.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where should I go?
« on: January 07, 2013, 04:30:26 PM »
I have a general idea of what I'd like to do, either government, criminal law, or intellectual property. I'm not too interested in Big Law; I've lived in rural PA my whole life and would be comfortable working in a small to mid-sized firm. Honestly, I applied to each one of the schools based on their location. New England, PA, and MD are all places I could see myself. Working in NYC or a major metro area is just something I'm not looking for

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