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I'm jumping into this conversation late, BUT...

I can attest to going to law school while having children.  Not that I had children while I was in school but because my dad was going to law school when I was about 5-8 years old. I cannot attest to school + commute though...

He put forth a lot of effort to spend quality time with me, and all I wanted was to hang out with Dad.  He was very creative in that he integrated study time with personal time.  I remember his bedtime stories were readings from his text books, and we had family study time where I would work on my homework (or coloring books) and he would go through his notes and lectures. I also remember having an 8pm bedtime (which allowed him a good amount of time to study on his own before he went to bed).  Honestly, I had no idea what was going on, and I had no idea that his textbooks weren't actual bedtime stories. I just enjoyed getting to spend time with him.

I realize that your commute will cut into the amount of time you can spend with your kids, but I think that if you get creative, you can make it work.  Good luck!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Law school questions
« on: December 20, 2011, 01:39:28 PM »
Are you looking to stay in Arizona?

And yes, getting into a T-14 is worth the debt.  The financial implications only start to become tricky when you get to the bottom of T1s and into T2 and beyond.

Online education was also not one of the original options, but thank you.

Thank you all for your sound input. 

I'm not looking for the easy route.  I'm looking for the best route.

I'm going to have to work hard no matter where I go.  It's kind of concerning that so many posters on LSD are so willing to retort with "you won't make it" or "don't go."  While 90+% won't make it to the top, there are 10% of us that will.  It's sad that folks are so quick to lump 100% of us into the 90% (please know that I am referring to a lot of postings on LSD.  I'm not referring to Jimmy's previous post about best/worst students at both schools).

I understand what both of you are saying.  I will need to really evaluate the scholarship renewal requirements.

I graduated undergrad in 2006 (I spent a year at UTSA, and maintained a 4.0, then the next three years at UT getting a 3.08- LSAC cumulative is 3.23).  I went to graduate school too at a not-prestigious institution and graduated with a 3.98 (MS in Psychology- Research based).  I'm going to try to find their curve and see what that says for me. 

John, you are correct about GPA being indicative of hard work.  I worked hard at UTSA and it showed.  I completely slacked at UT and it showed. 

Everything you guys have said has really given me a lot to think about. 

Yea, I was thinking about that.  I'm not sure how to judge where I'll be compared to other students on the curve and how that would be reflected in my GPA.  Here's some stats that may help:

StMU Median- 3.11
StMU 25%-75%- 2.82-3.43
Me- 3.23

StMU Median- 154
StMU 25%-75%- 152-156
Me- 161

Per their student handbook:
In the first two semesters of all first year courses, other than Legal Research and Writing, no fewer than 10% and no more than 20% of the grades must be C-s, D‟s, or F‟s. No less than 10% and no more than 20% of the grades must be A‟s, A-s, or B+‟s. During the third semester and in the mandatory summer course that follows the second semester, other than Legal Research and Writing, no fewer than 5% and no more than 15% of the grades must be C-s, D‟s, or F‟s. No less than 10% and no more than 20% of the grades must be A‟s, A-s, or B+‟s.

I definitely see where you are coming from.  Another thing my husband and I are looking at is moving closer to the school to cut down on the commute.  There are a lot of things I could do to mitigate the commute aspect (and the working hours as well).  It's definitely going to be difficult, but I am prepared to do what it takes to succeed (even if that means cutting back on work hours- last resort).

Thank you for this information John!  I am assuming I would speak with their Recruitment Coordinator for this type of negotiation.  I should probably start researching this...

The figures I presented are the total tuition for the program I am looking at (Baylor's tuition figure represents a 3 year JD program and St. Mary's tuition figure represents a 4 year JD program), and the tuition figures do not reflect any scholarships.  So if I lost the scholarship, the tuition figure would stay the same, but the scholarship category would be wiped out. 
The opportunity cost represents 3 years away from salary for Baylor and the cost of reduced working hours for 4 years for St. Mary's.
I'll try to find some information about St. Mary's scholarship renewals online (especially regarding their GPA requirements).
[No, I do not have a scholarship offer in writing yet.  And no, I will not accept their offer of admission without one.]

St. Mary's scholarships are merit-based and standardized based on LSAT/GPA.  Based on my scores, they're offering the highest amount.  I hadn't really thought about trying to negotiate scholarship.  In fact, I didn't even realize that was an option.  $10k would cover about 50% of the yearly tuition (I'm attending the PT evening program), and it is renewed every year.

I agree with you about Baylor.  It also has an incredible advocacy program, and I really do like the school. 

Thank you for continuing to reiterate your point that I am "delusional."  I appreciate your persistence and I am sure that it is a quality that has substantially aided your many successes. 
I am not sure what the terms of the scholarship are yet.  All that I know is based on my conversations with their recruiter (I have not accepted or rejected either schools' offer of admission, and I am still waiting for more information before I make the decision).  They do offer scholarships for part-time students (which is what they have unofficially offered), and I would be attending their part-time evening program (9 hours per semester and 3 hours over the summer).  Thank you for bringing this up. I will need to pay close attention to the terms of the scholarship when making my decision.

Thank you for the relevant portions of your response!  I appreciate your honest feedback (I'm not sure if that is coming across as sarcastic, but I am genuinely thanking you for your input regarding the public/government jobs).

I truly do understand the difficulties I am facing, and my husband and I have had numerous discussions about the difficulties that lie ahead.  Your commentary has not been ignored, but it has been researched and discussed thoroughly in the past.  And it is a bit off-putting that someone who does not know me or my circumstances passionately believes that my goals and career plans are "delusional."

Nonetheless, I'll break down the financials, and I would welcome you to let me know if you still believe Baylor is the best option.

Approximate tuition for full JD:
Baylor- $125,000
St. Mary's- $90,000-$100,000

Opportunity Cost (approximate salary loss from attending- not adjusted for payraises, bonuses, etc.):
Baylor- $150,000
St. Mary's- $24,000

Baylor- $0
St. Mary's- $10,000/year

(You can probably tell that my internal dilemma is weighing prestige v. practicality.)

[If I were to go to Baylor, I would get an apartment nearby, but would keep Austin as my main residence.]

Thanks John, I appreciate your input!

The only delusional part about what I proposed was in thinking that I could actually receive intelligent advice from an online forum.  THAT was certainly my mistake. 

Online Trolls: 1; Intelligent Advice: 0.

Shame on me.

(However, if you are not a troll, and you just happen to be oddly and inappropriately passionate about my financial dilemma, would you mind addressing my real concern/question?  If I plan on working in the public or government sector, does graduating from a T4 really matter?)

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