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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 20, 2006, 01:03:55 AM »
News flash: it's harder to move laterally than land a job in Boston first time around.
I suggest you befriend some law students or attorneys before making/believing such misguided statements.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 20, 2006, 12:53:28 AM »
Actually, this "Big Law" stat is wrong.  Doesn't anyone RESEARCH on the 'net before posting erroneous s%*t !??!

For Suffolk's 2004 class, only 201 students chose employment in private practice, not 500.
Of those 201 students, 42 students got "Big Law" jobs.  Making the correct stat. 21%, not 2%.

This information is verifiable here:  http://www.law.suffolk.edu/offices/career/pdf/Graduate%20Survey%2004.pdf

Enough with your slander of Suffolk. Indeed it's a regional school, but it has clout in Boston and obviously with "Big Law" firms. Big Law is a possibility if you're top 20% of your class.

Daisey... please look at the stats again. BigLaw is generally considered 250 lawyers plus. For the sake of argument though, let's lower this standard to 100 plus lawyers. Of the 479 graduates, 43 got jobs at 100 plus attorney firms. That's about 9%. Now, if you bump that up to 250 plus attorney firms, there are 16, which is about 4%

You can't look at the percentage out of the 200 who just "chose" to go into private practice. The kids who didn't still got grades and may have been ranked ahead of you/whoever. Just becuase they didn't accept private firm interviews didn't mean that they weren't offered them over students who wanted to be interviewed but were ranked lower. You have to consider the percentage out of the entire class.

If you are ranked 20th% at Suffolk, you probablyaren't getting a job at a 100/250 plus firm.

PPS - Your logic fails.  449 graduates DIDNT pursue private practice, only 201 did.  That's the figure we have to go on.  Unless you poll the 248 Suffolk grads who chose NOT to pursue private practice, you have no standing to say anything about where and why these graduates chose the career paths they did. Not everyone enters law school w/ Big Law aspirations, but I guess this, among other things, will surprise you next year.

Finally, I think these stats are honest. The PDF (supra) reveals that a large portion of Suffolk graduates (50%) end-up at small firms. And make, on average, small change (comparatively speaking).

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 20, 2006, 12:36:26 AM »
Actually, this "Big Law" stat is wrong.  Doesn't anyone RESEARCH on the 'net before posting erroneous s%*t !??!

For Suffolk's 2004 class, only 201 students chose employment in private practice, not 500.
Of those 201 students, 42 students got "Big Law" jobs.  Making the correct stat. 21%, not 2%.


This information is verifiable here:  http://www.law.suffolk.edu/offices/career/pdf/Graduate%20Survey%2004.pdf

Enough with your slander of Suffolk. Indeed it's a regional school, but it has clout in Boston and obviously with "Big Law" firms. Big Law is a possibility if you're top 20% of your class.

Daisey... please look at the stats again. BigLaw is generally considered 250 lawyers plus. For the sake of argument though, let's lower this standard to 100 plus lawyers. Of the 479 graduates, 43 got jobs at 100 plus attorney firms. That's about 9%. Now, if you bump that up to 250 plus attorney firms, there are 16, which is about 4%

You can't look at the percentage out of the 200 who just "chose" to go into private practice. The kids who didn't still got grades and may have been ranked ahead of you/whoever. Just becuase they didn't accept private firm interviews didn't mean that they weren't offered them over students who wanted to be interviewed but were ranked lower. You have to consider the percentage out of the entire class.

If you are ranked 20th% at Suffolk, you probablyaren't getting a job at a 100/250 plus firm.


Your speculation on these numbers is just that. Big law is 100+, not 250+, and Suffolk's numbers track students BY OFFICE not BY FIRM. That said, these numbers don't lie. Of the 201 graduates in the class of 2004 who chose "private practice," 21% (42 graduates) were employed in OFFICES of 100+ attorneys. If this is hard to fathom, I suggest you take it up with Career Services at Suffolk, they published this report. 

PS -I've chosen Vandy. I didn't even apply to Suffolk (yet I know a lot of students and alumni of Suffolk Law). Just giving things a fair shake. -D

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 14, 2006, 07:49:14 PM »
Actually, this "Big Law" stat is wrong.  Doesn't anyone RESEARCH on the 'net before posting erroneous s%*t !??!

For Suffolk's 2004 class, only 201 students chose employment in private practice, not 500.
Of those 201 students, 42 students got "Big Law" jobs.  Making the correct stat. 21%, not 2%.

This information is verifiable here:  http://www.law.suffolk.edu/offices/career/pdf/Graduate%20Survey%2004.pdf

Enough with your slander of Suffolk. Indeed it's a regional school, but it has clout in Boston and obviously with "Big Law" firms. Big Law is a possibility if you're top 20% of your class.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 14, 2006, 05:21:39 PM »
I don't know if you can afford it..but if you can, you can pay the seat deposit then wait for Northeastern, their seat deposit is May 1st so you will have to wait awhile to get off the waitlist.....I think if you follow up your waitlist there with letter of Continued interest you will be in good position. Goodluck. I'm still toiling between Suffolk and Northeastern just cos of all the money suffolk is giving me. That was why I paid the seat deposit even though I know I will end up at NUSL. Once again goodluck cos I'm starting to bable

Thanks so much for all the input. In response to some of the questions--I am sure I want to practice in Boston eventually (I grew up in the area) but I wouldn't mind being in Philly or somewhere else for a few years.

Also, Suffolk extended my seat deposit deadline to Monday at my request.

Now I just need to decide. If I weren't waitlisted at Northeastern this would be SO much easier.

Anyone else want to offer input?

Jontor, if you're not planning on matriculating at Suffolk, WITHDRAW so your scholarship can go to someone else.  It's clear you've already chosen and prefer Northeastern.  Your endless efforts at soliciting advice, yet not heading any of them, simply blabbing, Suffolk gave me a lot of money, that's why I'm not withdrawing" are inane and pointless.  These also show a lack of serious reflection on where you'll be developing your professional career. If you want good reasons to go to Suffolk, I've given you many. But go ahead and use USNWR as the penultimate deal-breaker for you.  I've got another suggestion - go ahead and sell your soul to an advertising agency. I'm they'd love to spin you into buying anything they rank as great.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 14, 2006, 05:08:14 PM »
Re: These last few posts.... Suffolk is great if you want to work in Boston, just not at Big Law. 14 kids from their '05 class got jobs at biglaw. 14 of 500. Now, of course you can be employed somewhere else, you just aren't going to get the same exposure as Hahhhvad, BU, BC, NE, or even Villanova.

Same exposure as NE? Look at the Boston Big Law employment stats from NEU and Suffolk.  The clear winner is NOT NEU.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Suffolk vs. Villanova
« on: April 14, 2006, 03:51:28 PM »
I'm going to be making a decision this weekend between Suffolk & Villanova and would love to hear some input. Basically, the cost will be the same to attend each school and I'm somewhat interested in practicing in Boston. Villanova's definitely the better school but I'm unsure of how well a Villanova degree will travel up here.

Thanks!

Suffolk has amazing clinics, all of which have a classroom component too (it's like a course, meeting about 75-80 minutes a week). The prosecutors clinic feeds students directly into Assistant DA positions throughout the city. The woman who teaches it was a former Attorney General!  Defenders program is just as popular, yet smaller in size.

From what I gather, some clinics at Suffolk yield lots of litigation experience. Most notably these are the
3 criminal law clinics:  Prosecutors, Defenders and Juvenile Justice Center
These clinics have you in court for at least 1 full day a week.  Prosecutor's clinic has you shadow a DA.  Defender and JJC have you reprersent clients (maybe in teams?)

Civil law clinics are:
Battered Women's Advocacy Clinic
Disability Advocacy Clinic (*also extremely popular)
Family Advocacy
Housing & Consumer Protection Clinic
Landlord/Tenant Clinic

Depending on your interest, civil or criminal litigation, or if you just want great lawyering skills, the clinical experience at Suffolk will give you that.

Something to consider.


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or how your logic fails.

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To sell magazines, duh!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: The New Hottest Girls Thread
« on: April 12, 2006, 07:40:10 PM »
"Pastel polos and pearls???" Drink, u sure u don't like men?

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