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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: USC Preview Day Reviews
« on: April 27, 2006, 08:39:17 AM »

I'm considering attending USC, but I didn't get a chance to fly out for the preview weekend. If anyone could possibly share some insight as to the size of the classes, accesibility of professors, and how cool the students seemed that'd be great. I could see myself staying in California, but I'd like to go to school that will let me keep my options open so that I can still come back to DC or NYC on the East Coast-- I don't suppose they mentioned anything about that?


Incoming 1Ls / Re: Going to George Washington (GW GWU)
« on: April 14, 2006, 08:00:51 AM »
Just confirmed that they recieved the first of many checks from me -so now it's official..
 GW LAW class of 2009!

If there's anyone from Philly who wants to grab a drink sometime in the next month, let me know.

And if any of you are gonna be down in the DC area from June on, let me know so we can meet up -I'm moving down there sometime this summer.

Congrats to all, it's gonna be awesome!

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: George Washington Housing
« on: April 08, 2006, 08:29:12 AM »
I had a chance to visit both and I found that CP was cheaper than the statesman and offered rooms of equal if not greater quality (with balcony's!). The statesman was a smaller complex -though it wasn't small- while CP was a the most massive assemblence of grey concrete walls outside the former soviet union. The thing is that CP has a weird waitlist, and in the words of women who gave the tour "we might not know about something opening in August until July",  but it all goes by the the waitlist I think, so if it's an option you're considering, you need to sigh up now.

Ok I need some feedback to this question:

How national is the GWU name?  Specifically how does it compare vis a vis Notre Dame's national reputation?  I am from the West Coast, but I quite frankly don't know where I will end up after law school.  I want to keep my options open.

Thanks for the help.

While Notre Dame has a more widely known brand name among the average american, I don't think its law school has a more national reputation in terms of job placememnt. After all, the people recruiting for firms will all have gone to law school, and they know which schools have the best students. [If this theory wasn't true, then I'd be screwed for going to Penn instead of Penn State as an undergrad.] I am a huge Notre Dame fan and so it is really hard to say anything that would be less than glowing, but in terms of professional education you need to look at the numbers and see who is coming to recruit.

Allow me to refer you to the following online article:

While the article explains the caveats of the information I'm about to include it does help provide some raw numbers for the sake of making comparisions:

(In terms of number of firms that come to recruit on campus)

Over 400 firms:  George Washington, Howard, Northwestern, Texas, Yale

Over 300 firms:  Cornell, UCLA, Vanderbilt

Over 200 firms:  Boston College, Boston Univ., Emory, Fordham, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Southern California, UC Hastings, William & Mary (and Washington & Lee is very close, with 197)

Now I cannot vouch for the accuracy of these number, and as the article states these numbers do not indicate where the firms are coming from so as to prove that one school is more "national" than the next.

BUT... that said.... here's my thought:

I'm from the East Coast, but I love California. I applied to schools on both coasts and in the end came down to deciding between University of Southern California and GWU. After talking to a lot of people both here at Penn, down at GW, and everywhere in between I arrived at the follow conclusions:

1. If I want to work in California and not in NYC or DC, I should go to USC.
2. If I want to work in DC or NYC, I should go to GW.
3. If I have no clue where I want to be, I should go to GW because the opportunity to study the law in Washington, DC is worth its weight in gold. [compared to every other city, not just South Bend]

In the info packet distributed during the preview weekend at GW contains information on the Employer Participants in the 2005 Fall Interview Program, and breaks it down by state. I count 50 firms from California, 52 firms from NYC, 125 from DC, 40 from Florida, & 14 from Chicago.[among many others]

I don't have any info on Notre Dame, but I can kind of relate with the dilema since USC has recieved a lot of national recognition for its exploits on the grid iron. In the end, I realized that there are more opportunities [for me] at GW than USC, and I would assume the same goes for Notre Dame --BUT I do not mean to make any kind of disparaging mark against the Blue and Gold. The general rule of thumb seems to be that if you want to work in a particular area go to school there, and if you can't, then go work there in the summer. While that probably doesn't help, I recall hearing from the lady in charge of CDO say that an L.A. firm is coming to campus in a few weeks and 75 students have already RSVP'd... if that's the case I'm sure West Coast firms will continue to supply recruiters to meet the interest of the students. Go to GW...but...

...Go Irish!


FYI: The blow up rat is usually a "tool" used by Union members wishing to protest or make a point about someone/something that opposes their views.

For example: A local contractor fails to higher any local union members for a job within the city. The local union will protest and set up the blow up rat as sign to the rest of the community that there is a "rat" among them.

Not sure if that's what's going on in the pic, but that's usually what it's used for.

Hope that helps, nice pics -thanks for putting them up.


PS: In the event that I've managed to missunderstand Union practices, and in the process offend any Union members, all I can say is sorry.

I was there all day Friday and from 11am till 3pm on Saturday.

I went in to the whole thing not sure what to expect, and I came out of it ready to mail in my check -I even bought a GW Law Sweatshirt!

Of course DC is a big draw, but what really sold me were the students and faculty. Everyone in my group agreed that the students at GW seemed happier than their couterparts at other law schools.

One girl I know mentioned that she thought the professors at GW were particuarly nice to students during lectures, as compared to the ones at Penn.

While it's true that GW may not have a "real"campus with a giant quad and rolling hills, I know that in order to get one I'd have to trade-off the excitment and thrill of living in the city. Now that I'm in my 20's, the way I see it, now is the time to live in a city where all the action is --you can study at the law library, and then go to one of the thousands of bars/clubs, see a show at the Kennedy Center, visit one of many INCREDIBLE musuems, or in case you still haven't had enough law there are always the Supreme Court and Congressional proceedings to check in on. Plus, if you do need to see some wide open spaces, just drive 30 minutes in to Southern Maryland, the Eastern Shore, or even the mountains of Virginia... trust me, it's very rural.

I actually felt like the facilities were really pretty nice -I mean it may not have been all marble and shimmering gold trim, but I felt like the classrooms were totally comparable to the Huntsman Building here at Penn, which is where the Wharton School of Business is based. They've got a ton of computers, wireless internet, and everything has just been recently referbished. While the quad was small, that's more grass than most city dwellers could ever hope for -plus how great is it that the only quad at GW is outside the Law School! It's like we get the royal treatment!

The neighborhood was actually nice -coming from West Philly- and while it may not have felt like you were "on campus" it did feel more like a campus than many other city schools. While it's my understanding that Foggy Bottom gets pretty quiet at night, I found out that it is only a short way to more lively neighborhoods of DuPont Circle, Adams Morgan, and Georgetown.

GW seems like an awesome place to spend three years, especially if you want to be close to where all the legal action is going down -- it is abundantely clear that if you're  considering working in Washington, you must consider GW.

I'll be there in the fall, hope to see everyone else there too!

PS: If you wana talk about GW more, shoot me an IM on AIM at PFKing15

Incoming 1Ls / Re: The Official I'm Going to X School Thread
« on: March 25, 2006, 06:37:45 PM »
After preview weekend down in DC, the choice is clear:


Class of 2009... can't wait!!!

Congrats to everyone else on making a decision, this is the beginning of what seems to be a very exciting chapter in all our lives.

I'll be there! -- Looking forward to meeting everyone, not looking forward to waking up at 6 to get there in time  ;)

So, how casual is the event - Jeans and polo? or a little more formal than that? Any thoughts?

Coincidentally the annual Cherry Blossom Festival will kick-off this weekend, so hopefully the weather will hold up... if you haven't seen the tidal basin at full bloom, check out the festival's website ( -it's amazing.

Alirght, back to midterms...see ya Friday!


Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: GW Preview Days
« on: March 18, 2006, 01:44:46 PM »
I think the PT session asks for business casual because most evening students will be coming from work wearing business casual.

Maybe the full-time session expects that students will want to go out later on and possibly stay the night... maybe they assume more people will be coming direct from college and so they've lowered the level of formality.     

I was at a reception for newly admitted students last week in DC and everyone showed up in suits, most of whom were PT students.

I know this doesn't really answer the question but it at least fuels the fire a bit...

I'll be in DC on the 24th, hope to see everyone else there too.

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