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I'm going to jump on the Wendel bandwagon. I'm currently using that and I have to say I actually ENJOY possessory estates. That book makes it fun to do. That book dumbs it down for you. The guy repeats things a million times that if you come out not understanding that stuff, then there's something wrong. Seriously get that book. It has practice problems and chart recaps at the end of the chapters. It's sooooooo good.

I fail to see how this is a legal impossibility in any event.  This scenario is essentially identical to the oft-cited example of shooting at an empty bed thinking that there's a living victim lying in it, when in actuality there's only a mannequin or a bundle of pillows underneath the sheets.  Both scenarios certainly sound like factual impossibility to me, and I'm not sure there is a convincing, principled distinction between the two.

Then again, I'm with those commentators who say the only truly "legal" impossibility is trying to commit an act which in actuality is not a crime, even though the actor believes it is.   ;)

This situation is distinguishable from the classic example in that the defendants in these cases haven't even "shot" at the empty bed. While a bullet would injure or kill a person, driving a car to a sting house would not constitute sex.

But the crime here is incomplete, or inchoate; we're dealing with attempt, not a completed crime.  What you raise, it would seem, is an issue of how the actus reus of attempt is defined.  If driving to a car after soliciting sex online is sufficient to satisfy the actus reus requirement of attempted sexual battery on a minor (or whatever the specific offense is), it doesn't seem to distinguish it from my example at all: shooting at an empty bed is equally sufficient to satisfy the actus reus requirement of attempted murder.

As you say, we are in the realm of inchoate crimes here. And as such, a defendant's actions are critical in that they evidence the firmness and extent of his intent. In my opinion, the actions of most defendants in Dateline-like sting operations do not sufficiently corroborate his apparent purpose to have sex with a minor. Frankly, I think most of these guys are completely indifferent to the age of the "victim." They are lonely perverts who want to have sex. They are certainly reckless as to the "girl's" age, but they lack specific intent to victimize a child. There are, of course, exceptions to this, which is yet another reason not to convict dangerous pedophiles under the same statutes that we convict idiot perverts.

Now, ad to the situation that the undercover agents are creating a fictional scenario when they log onto chat rooms as young girls to see who "bites." A critical question is this: How many ACTUAL 12-15 year old girls would a) be as open to meeting a strange older man as the decoy is? and b) actually arrange to meet with such a stranger?

Although actual children are sometimes victimized is similar cases, I suspect that the decoys are creating a largely fictional universe, so to speak, in which incredibly stupid  and lonely 13-yr-old girls are totally willing to turn a trip to the Harry Potter chatroom into a meeting with a hairy old guy for sex.   

Funny that you mention this because this does indeed occur with actual 12-15 year old girls. They're discussing this very issue on the pre-law board about how a 13 year old girl and her mother as suing Myspace for $30 million for not protecting teenage girls from sexual predators like these. A real 13 year old girl actually went and arranged a meeting with a sex offender and subsequently was sexually assualted by the man during this meeting. Trust me, it happens. This isn't something of fiction.

I too watched the dateline series on this and they actually raised the issue of this being seen as entrapment. According to officials dealing with these types of sex crimes, it is not entrapment if during the online conversations the perpetrator is the one that brings up sexual acts- meaning the sexual offender needs to be one who outrightly states something to the effect of "i want to perform some sort of sexual act with you". If you look at transcripts of crimes like these, the undercover agents are NEVER the ones to state that they would like to have sex- they wait for the perpetrator to inititiate the conversation. so with or without this being a sting operation, the guy would've committed this crime regardless and therefore wasn't lured into anything.

Current Law Students / Re: Franklin Pierce or Quinnipiac
« on: May 10, 2006, 02:07:42 PM »
From someone who was fairly close to attending Pierce I would actually advise against going there unless you're planning on doing IP AND have a technical degree. I spoke with an actual student who stated that OCIs there are geared towards patent eligible students so if you're not in that group, you probably won't be getting looked at by employers. Another student told me otherwise but from my own thinking, it'll probably be hard getting noticed anyway unless you have a hard science undergrad/grad degree and/or technical experience especially since Pierce just fell to the T4. Seeing as how you are not looking to pursue the patent par (or IP in general, I'm assuming?), I would just go with Quinnipiac- I hear they do fairly well in their region of Connecticut so employment shouldn't be much of a problem (granted you want to be in at least the top half of the class). Good luck with wherever you decide to go.

Current Law Students / Re: anyone feel dooped?
« on: April 12, 2006, 11:29:25 PM »
I don't have any "real" input as I have not been to any ASDs due to lack of time but I was just wondering if by posting this inquiry you are starting to question you current school choice?? I've only heard you saying great things about your school...did something happen to make you question them?

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Weekends
« on: April 12, 2006, 11:19:07 PM »
Seems like a sweet schedule kait. glad you posted it. after seeing folks talking about 20hrs of studying everyday i was starting to get freaked out because that much work is one, not healthy, and two, not at all conducive to learning- but to each his own. I do plan on putting in a sane amount of work but I'm just glad to know I won't resemble a zombie after my 1L.

Current Law Students / Re: Vermont Law school
« on: March 03, 2006, 08:39:58 AM »
I would suggest going to message boards at There is a whole thread on Vermont Law and there is one particular student I've been getting advice from (VLS1L)- I would seek him/her out.

Good Luck

Current Law Students / Re: Environmental law-Pace vs Vermont
« on: March 01, 2006, 03:19:08 PM »
Hey Cabe23,
I would go with the school that gave you money-Pace. If you didn't get any scholarship info with your acceptance letter, you're not going to make Vermont budge on giving you any. I know this because I tried. Not in the leverage aspect, but I did ask them to consider me for scholarship money because they made a decision on me based on an incomplete transcript so my g.p.a. is higher than reported on my lsdas report. They weren't even trying to hear it. Kathy Hartman, the director, pretty much let me know that since I didn't get a scholarship notice with my acceptance letter, I wasn't getting ANYTHING but loans. That really put me off because they weren't even trying to give me a chance. In your case, I believe the same will happen to you. They have a trend of giving practically nothing in scholarship money to a few of their students so I wouldn't count on getting anywhere with them since they've already made a decision on you scholarship-wise. I think Pace is a great school ( a close 2nd or 3rd behind Vermont) and will ultimately get you farther if you end up wanting to practice in NY. However, if you can do the loan thing and don't necessarily want to practice in NY, go to Vermont (it's #1 in the country in Environmental Law) and if you do well there I heard of some people who go off to work for environmental law firms in New England making Big$$$ and then you can easily pay off the loans. Ultimately either place is a good school- it comes down to where you want to practice after graduation and if you're willing to go the loan route. Good luck!

definitely agree with adehmar- i would've liked to see a superman that wasn't one dimensional...

Ok so I saw this thing yesterday....and....I hated it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Superman. I've watched all the the Christopher Reeve versions and even watched the Lois and Clark tv series a few years back. But I got to say that outside of the special effects, the movie was pretty flat leaving me most of the time to say "".  The plot/storyline was just so blah. I was bored for half the movie. I hated that they cast a 23 year old to be a mom of a 5 year old kid, which btw was pretty dumb especially since when you think of Lois Lane, you think of a tough, ball-busting, take-no-$hit newswoman...Lois isn't supposed to me a mom figure if you ask me. I liked Brandon Routh as Clark but as Superman, he was m'eh...just ok. I dunno. I guess he was too young for me too. To make matters worse, they give him a son?!?!?!?! wtf? I think it was such a wrong move since the allure of Superman is the sadness that he isn't "one of us" and will never be able to enjoy such things in life as romance and family because of the duties he has to the world. Now he's a dad?????? Don't get me started on the plot holes- if I remember correctly, at the end of Superman II, Clark/Superman kisses Lois making her forget the time they had spent together and the fact that he was Superman...sooooo how in the world did she allow herself to continue with a pregnancy where she doesn't remember the conception? She figures it's Superman's kid, but did she remember they had sex? Plus how does the kid have powers if when he was conceived, Clark was human and NOT Superman??? I don't know. This movie just disappointed me in so many ways. I did like the score and some of the action sequences but without a good story all you have is a $250 million fireworks show. Maybe it's just me.

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