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The only way the MBE will get you an "auto-in" on a bar is in the states/jurisdictions that allow you to motion for admittance based on prior MBE scores. Otherwise, a high MBE means you don't need to do as well on the essays, but don't expect to be waived in on a rumor.

Current Law Students / Re: Gearing up for the bar exam
« on: May 14, 2008, 08:09:45 PM »
In addition to what smujd has to say, the whole exercise of writing (or typing) rules makes the process much more automatic which can save valuable minutes when you're actually taking the test.

Current Law Students / Re: Gearing up for the bar exam
« on: May 14, 2008, 11:43:35 AM »
The bar requires two basic skills.
a) know the law
b) know how to apply the law to operative fact and reach a conclusion

Knowing the law is not sufficient. You can know the law but if you write essays that are conclusory or that don't include rules or that don't apply facts or that don't have a good analysis or whatever, you won't necessarily pass. I notice you say that the friend wrote a lot of essays. I think that's a key. If you can write essays and learn from what you're writing, that's using both skills, the knowledge of the law and the application of the law to the fact pattern.

I don't think there are many people who can memorize all of the rules in the Conviser mini-review, let alone trying to memorize what's in the big outlines. The BarBri lectures will go through the "top" subjects and, for essay subjects, probably give you advise on how to write for that subject. (Each lecturer has his/her own style, but that'd be my guess.) If you can get that stuff down and have a good knowledge of the other info in the mini-review, you should be in pretty good shape.

Just as a general bar tip (and you'll hear this in BarBri), if push comes to shove and you don't remember a rule for a problem, figure out what you think the rule should be, make it up, and apply it. At that point, go for a strong analysis and hope you guessed right on the rule. After three years of law school, you're going to have a clue in a lot of areas of how things should come out. Make sure your rule works with that knowledge and that you give a complete analysis of the issue.

If you are starting to study now, or soon, for the bar, by 5 days prior to the test you should be mostly ready, anyway. If you're still trying to learn major substantive law by that point, you'll be having other issues. So, using that time for a review w/tapes is probably not all that major. Even better if you can bring an essay book and write some essays.

As long as you prepare by having most of your studying done by the time you leave, you should be fine. Make sure you don't psyche yourself out because you're not at home studying at that point. The bar is a mental exercise as much as anything else. From the stats I've heard/read about, most people don't pass or fail by all that many points. Keeping the proper attitude is as important as anything else.

Current Law Students / Re: Gearing up for the bar exam
« on: May 13, 2008, 11:04:47 PM »
When all is said and done, you need to find what works for you. Some general suggestions I have include figure out what are your weak points. Make sure you start on those early, so that you have the most time. If you're working on MBE questions, keep alternating subjects so you keep hitting different rules throughout. Along with keeping up with essay subjects from lectures, don't forget to do some review problems on occasion.

Oh, and ignore predictions about what subjects are going to be tested. At the very least, don't let someone's predictions give you the feeling that you can ignore certain subjects. (Although I will say if you're taking CA bar, make sure you've got CA PR vs. Model Code down.)

Ditto to all that's been said.

Current Law Students / Re: Gearing up for the bar exam
« on: May 13, 2008, 06:00:29 AM »
re: Admission in MN, you're missing something. You referred to the MN Rules for Admission rule 7A (admission after 5 of 7 yrs of practice) and missed rule 7B (admission on MBE score). I've given you the basics, I'll trust you can find the rest.

As for doing enough, think of the bar as a marathon, not a sprint. If you try to cram all the studying in at the last minute, you're going to feel overwhelmed and that may not be the best strategy. For over a month you're going to be attending BarBri. Don't let that be all you do each day. Go to class. I did morning sessions, so after that I'd take a lunch break. In the afternoon, I'd review notes and do practice MBE problems. Towards the last couple weeks (about a month out) I also started writing essays each day; generally three or so. Evenings were generally off. On weekends I think I generally didn't do much on Saturday unless I had some other course, and then started in again with review/essays/MBEs on Sunday. After a while, it was outlining on the essays but initially it was writing them out in full. You'll have about a week or more between the end of BarBri and the test. For that I hit the library from about 9 to 5 each day. The last couple days before the test I could barely stand to look at anything and didn't really try.

There's this new invention called teh interwebz. Some people use that for research.

You'll never stop being a slacker, I see.
*yawn*'re not even entertaining at this point.

The joint guy is much funnier.

Why not contact the Texas bar with this question?

Odds are good that it works. This does not mean, however, that it's allowed.

Current Law Students / Re: Gearing up for the bar exam
« on: May 12, 2008, 09:20:07 PM »
You should take Wisconsin or another state, kick arse on the MBE (and pass the overall bar), and waive into MN. Then you can get two states with one test.

There's this new invention called teh interwebz. Some people use that for research.

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