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Incoming 1Ls / Re: La Verne, Whittier or Western State
« on: June 28, 2011, 04:01:56 PM »
I would strongly urge you to look at bar passage rates. The "lower tiered" California schools often have very scary bar passage rates. Whittier looks to be near the state average, but the other two are far below.

There are bar prep programs that you should use, but the published bar passage rates should really be cautiously considered. gives you official statistics to compare.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Small Debt vs Big Debt (Cali)
« on: June 26, 2011, 04:05:52 PM »
The debt difference is substantial, but be sure to look at the difference in bar passage rates. Theres over a 20% difference between Chapman and Western State. And Western State has had notoriously low bar passage rates- at least in Cali. LSAC reports Western with less than a 50% bar passage.

Please consider this. If you can't pass the bar then the whole 3-4 years of law school is far less valuable.

LSD needs a "like" button  :) ^ on bigs post


The sad thing is law schools have not banned together to focus on producing competent lawyers. Instead schools will discuss how high U.S. News ranked them in some speciality or my school for my example hired our Dean to boost our ranking. That was the reason and needless to say it didn't happen, because nobody can boost a ranking the system makes no sense. I just wish law schools would disregard U.S. News and ban together to stop it and focus on producing competent lawyers not lying to to get into an 11 way tie for 84th place. That kind of behavior is not good for anyone.

I wish law schools would market what they are doing to improve their quality and how they are producing more competent lawyers as well. I read an article at above the law a few months back on how prospective law students reported on a survey that a large majority choose a law school based on the us news ranking, and not on more practical things like job placement & bar passage. These sort of changes also will not come until the students/customers demand such information.

Current Law Students / Re: Financial Aid?
« on: June 10, 2011, 02:43:25 PM »
True, but if you weren't in law school you would be more flexible with how much your able to work or not.

Its true also that you would have the debt of living expenses regardless, but the ability to pay for them and the level of budget is different while in school. Nonetheless, financial aid & budgeting definitely should be planned out in the greater sense.

Current Law Students / Re: Financial Aid?
« on: June 08, 2011, 05:08:00 PM »
I would be likely to believe Falcon Jimmy's situation to be more the exception than the norm. A half tuition scholarship plus living expenses is more than 10,000 at almost every law school I'm aware of.

There are some outside scholarships for underrepresented minorities, and school sponsored scholarships for merit. Otherwise, there's more loans and the option of working and going part time. The only way I could imagine going without substantial loans would be to go to a state school- or to have top grades & a high lsat in at least the top 25%.

Good luck!

I looked at Washburn, and that seems like the better choice. It definitely is more established, and also is a public law school- so clearly a lower tuition rate at least by the 2nd year. 

Also, Kansas has only 2 law schools, while Florida has 11.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: am i screwed?
« on: May 30, 2011, 07:30:58 PM »
Also, it is important to note that a 2nd bachelors or a masters degree do not go into the LSAC report. They would be reviewed by the law school as a "soft" factor, but do not go into the official lsac report.

Financial Aid / Re: crap credit score, but I got that PLUS loan
« on: May 27, 2011, 06:28:25 PM »

My credit score is poor (595), but I got approved for my Grad PLUS loan yesterday! I have been hard at work improving my report for the past year, but the score itself did not budge and there were records of "more than 90 days past due" within the past three years (just none that were current). Good enough, skated thru and got that loan approval!

None that were current? I have some that are closed, but were past due. How do you address this? Again, nothing recent but still on the report.

Stetson and UF dominate the Tampa Bay area.

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